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Russia Will Not Ratify Estonia Treaty
AP/RFE/RL (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) ^ | 22JUN05 | AP/RFE/RL

Posted on 06/22/2005 4:28:55 PM PDT by familyop

22 June 2005 (RFE/RL) -- The Russian Foreign Ministry said today it would be impossible to submit border treaties with Estonia for ratification by the Russian parliament following changes Estonia made to the preamble.

The amended text includes an indirect reference to the Soviet occupation of the Baltic nation. The ministry says it contains unacceptable statements that create what it calls a falsified context for the treaties. Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union.

Soviet troops occupied the three Baltic states in 1940. Nazi troops took them over in 1941. The Soviets returned in 1944.

Russia balked at signing a planned border treaty with Latvia last month because Latvia insisted on attaching a statement similar to the one approved by Estonia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: censorship; estonia; propaganda; revisionism; russia; soviet; treaty; truth

1 posted on 06/22/2005 4:28:55 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

"Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union"

BWAHAHAHAHHA!!


2 posted on 06/22/2005 4:31:06 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: familyop

"Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union"

BWAHAHAHAHHA!!

And if Stalin had tits he would be "Auntie Joe"


3 posted on 06/22/2005 4:32:31 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: BringBackMyHUAC; Alia
Pinging... And ping further to whomever.

From the posted piece:
"The amended text includes an indirect reference to the Soviet occupation of the Baltic nation. The ministry says it contains unacceptable statements that create what it calls a falsified context for the treaties. Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union."

Hmmm. Elmer Fudd said something like, "No waughing awowed!" But I can't help it.
4 posted on 06/22/2005 4:42:11 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

"Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union."

Tell that to my father (RIP) and his neighbors who had their farms stolen from them by the F***ING Soviets. The F***ING Soviets were so bad that my father joined the German Army to try to get his farm back. At the end of the war, my father was in a F***ING Soviet prison camp, but fortunately escaped, although to his dying day, he couldn't talk about it.

The F***ING Soviets were so bad, they made the Nazis look like liberators.

F***ING Soviets !!


5 posted on 06/22/2005 4:44:56 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: Eccl 10:2

Well, it appears that you certainly learned some fluency in German.

[...little humor there! ...no offense.]


6 posted on 06/22/2005 4:48:52 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Eccl 10:2; GOP_1900AD; Uncle George; mudblood; AnimalLover; hedgetrimmer; John Lenin; AnnaZ; ...

Funny how the Russians keep behaving like the Soviets. New boss same as the old boss...WAKE UP AMERICA!


7 posted on 06/22/2005 4:49:46 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: familyop

"Well, it appears that you certainly learned some fluency in German.

[...little humor there! ...no offense.]"

Certainly none taken. If this wasn't a public forum, maybe I'd tell you how I REALLY feel.

F***ING Soviets.


8 posted on 06/22/2005 4:56:15 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: jb6

ping


9 posted on 06/22/2005 5:02:16 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: BringBackMyHUAC
"Funny how the Russians keep behaving like the Soviets."
What else to expect? It is not funny, but completely predictable. Similar to any person remaining oneself whether clothed in a formal three-piece outfit for a state dinner or wearing a beach attire (or even naked), the word "Soviet" is but a temporary designation for one period of continuing [in its character] Russian Civ.
10 posted on 06/22/2005 5:15:44 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: familyop
There was a defector (or two) back in the '80s who said that the whole "perestroika" thing was just smoke and mirrors, and that the same power structure was just going to be humming right along under a different mask. He got (and I think still gets) lampooned a lot, but I have to wonder...
11 posted on 06/22/2005 5:38:09 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: familyop
Russia maintains that all three Baltic nations voluntarily joined the Soviet Union.

Is that why there were Embassies for the Governments in exile? Recognized Embassies at the Court of St James (London) from the day the Nazi's invaded until they finally got their Independence from the USSR, when it collapsed and became THE Embassies.

12 posted on 06/22/2005 5:49:34 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: anonymoussierra; Grzegorz 246; lizol; Lukasz; Eurotwit

ping


13 posted on 06/22/2005 6:27:17 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: inquest
"There was a defector (or two) back in the '80s who said that the whole "perestroika" thing was just smoke and mirrors, and that the same power structure was just going to be humming right along under a different mask. He got (and I think still gets) lampooned a lot, but I have to wonder..."

Most of the officials in various ministries of the USSR did intend to carry on with business as it was. Gorbachev and his small group of scattered friends were surrounded by them.

But Gorby and his friends were serious about it, and it worked. Even a little free press can open the gates, if the writers and speakers who want the change have done a few years of homework in disseminating convincing political speech and growing organizations by way of cells.

...problem since then was and is the more prevailing tendency to censor, spread misinformation and go around puffed up like roosters. To change a government is not so difficult compared to trying to change a whole culture and ways of thinking.
14 posted on 06/22/2005 9:42:32 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

Putin is Soviet apologist and his behavior makes Russia looks silly in the international arena.


15 posted on 06/23/2005 12:43:02 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: SandRat
Is that why there were Embassies for the Governments in exile? Recognized Embassies at the Court of St James (London) from the day the Nazi's invaded until they finally got their Independence from the USSR, when it collapsed and became THE Embassies.

It was just a „western” conspiracy against Soviet Union (aka Russia ) /sarcasm
16 posted on 06/23/2005 12:47:27 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: familyop

What did you find so funny? As anyone familiar with history of this region knows, Baltic republics did voluntary join Soviet Union. Majority of population and political elites was for it. Minority was against. Some of those later emigrated, which does not change the fact that accession was voluntary and according to international law.

Of course, there was some level of Soviet interference before the events, at a level comparable to let us say US interference in recent Ukrainian elections. One may say Baltic revolutions of 1930s were first "velvet revolutions" or "revolutions of roses" in the World. However it hardly changes anything.

Likewise, if you do not recognize Baltic republics joining USSR, you should not recognize mentioned Ukrainian elections as well and even more so since in Baltic case pro-Soviet stance was much more prevailing (compared to 45% of electorate in Ukraine falsified up to 51%) and actually constituted definite and qualified majority.


17 posted on 06/24/2005 7:09:08 PM PDT by oboguev
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To: oboguev; BringBackMyHUAC; Alia

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18 posted on 06/24/2005 9:28:41 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: oboguev; BringBackMyHUAC; Alia
Regarding the post above about Estonia, there are many sites on the Web containing that part of Estonia's history. Here are excerpts from only three of them.

History of Estonia
History of Nations
Estonia had pursued a policy of neutrality, but the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Nonaggression Pact on August 23, 1939 signaled the end of independence. The agreement provided for the Soviet occupation of Estonia, Latvia, part of Finland, and later, Lithuania, in return for Nazi Germany's assuming control over most of Poland. After extensive diplomatic intrigue, the Estonian Socialist Republic (E.S.R.) was proclaimed on July 21, 1940, 1 month after Estonia was occupied by Soviet troops.


History of Estonia
Wikipedia
Estonia had pursued a policy of neutrality, but the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Nonaggression Pact on August 23, 1939, signalled the end of independence. The agreement provided for the Soviet occupation of Estonia, Latvia, part of Finland, and later, Lithuania, in return for Nazi Germany's assuming control over most of Poland. The Soviets requested to station troops in Estonia one month later, and the Estonian leaders, with a standing army of 15,000, complied. The government was eventually driven from power in June 1940, and an election was held where all parties were outlawed except the Communist party.


Estonia: History
RusNet
The fate of Estonia was decided by the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact of August 1939 between Nazi Germany and the USSR. On September 28 the Soviet government imposed on Estonia a treaty of mutual assistance that conceded to the Soviet Union several Estonian military bases, which were occupied forthwith. A broadly based nonpolitical government under Juri Uluots was appointed, but on June 16, 1940, a Soviet ultimatum demanded a new Estonian government, "able and willing to secure the honest application of the Soviet-Estonia mutual assistance treaty." The following day, Soviet forces occupied the whole country.

On July 21 the Chamber of Deputies was presented with a resolution to join the USSR; it was unanimously adopted the next day in spite of being contrary to constitutional procedure. On August 6 the Moscow Supreme Soviet incorporated Estonia into the USSR as one of its constituent republics. Meanwhile, Päts, Laidoner, and many other political leaders were arrested and deported to the USSR. In the first 12 months of Soviet occupation, more than 60,000 persons were killed or deported; more than 10,000 were removed in a mass deportation during the night of June 13 - 14, 1941.

19 posted on 06/24/2005 10:07:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: oboguev; BringBackMyHUAC; Alia
Here's an excerpt from another site.

Declaration by H.E. Dr. Vaira Vike-Freiberga, President of the Republic of Latvia regarding 9 May 2005 Riga, 12 January 2005
Baltic American Freedom League
As the President of a country that subsequently suffered greatly under the Soviet rule, I feel obliged to remind the world at large that humanity's most devastating conflict might not have occurred, had the two totalitarian regimes of Nazi Germany and Soviet Union not agreed to secretly divide the territories of Eastern Europe amongst themselves. I am referring to the shameful agreement signed on August 23rd of 1939 by the foreign ministers of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, Vyatcheslav Molotov and Joachim von Ribbentrop.

A week-and-a-half later, as a direct result of this disgraceful pact's secret supplementary protocols, Hitler invaded Poland and started the Second World War. The Soviet Union then occupied the eastern half of Poland, with Hitler's full compliance, and invaded Finland later that year. Then, in June of 1940, the Soviet Union invaded and occupied Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. These invasions and occupations had been foreseen and agreed to in advance by Hitler and Stalin.

It is precisely these two dictators who bear the brunt of the blame for the immense human loss and suffering that resulted during the war that ensued. In commemorating those who lost their lives during the Second World War, we must not fail to commemorate the crimes against humanity committed by both Hitler and Stalin. We must not fail to mention these two totalitarian tyrants by name, lest the world forget the responsibility that they bear for beginning that war.

20 posted on 06/24/2005 10:23:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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