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'Indians are bastards anyway'
Asia Times ^ | Debasish Roy Chowdhury

Posted on 06/22/2005 10:38:34 AM PDT by robowombat

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'Indians are bastards anyway' By Debasish Roy Chowdhury

HUA HIN, Thailand - Indians are "a slippery, treacherous people", said president Richard Nixon. "The Indians are bastards anyway. They are the most aggressive goddamn people around," echoed his assistant for national security affairs, Henry Kissinger. The setting: a White House meeting on July 16, 1971, during the run-up to the India-Pakistan war which ultimately led to the birth of Bangladesh, erstwhile East Pakistan.

The US State Department recently declassified some of the Nixon White House tapes and secret documents that bring to light the way in which the Nixon administration went about the Bangladesh saga, reflecting the potential of mindsets and personal equations taking precedence over ground realities in White House decisionmaking.

In 1971, some 3 million people are estimated to have been killed in the genocide unleashed by Pakistan's military government on East Pakistan, leading to a rush of refugees into India, drawing India into a swift and decisive war that eventually forced Pakistan's hand. But all along, the Nixon administration sided with the military establishment of Pakistan over democratic India because of Nixon's "special relationship" with Pakistan's handsome military dictator, General Yahya Khan, and his uncontrolled revulsion at the "old witch" Indira Gandhi, India's then prime minister.

Despite the avowed goal of containing war, the US administration, in its zeal to put India in a spot, even went to the extent of pleading with the Chinese to initiate troop movements toward the Indian border in coordination with Pakistan, and assured it support in case the Soviet Union jumped into the fray. Near the end of the war, in a highly secret meeting on December 10, 1971, Kissinger pitched the idea to Chinese ambassador to the UN, Huang Ha. The declassified documents reveal that China took a couple of days to think about it and finally said it was not game, much to Kissinger's disappointment.

The seeds of the Bangladesh war were sown in India's freedom in 1947, which came with a bloody partition, with India keeping the Hindu-dominated areas of British India and Pakistan the Muslim-dominated ones - to the extent they were geographically divisible. The Pakistan that was born as a result had two flanks - East and West. East Pakistan comprised the Muslim-majority Bengali-speaking areas, while West Pakistan consisted of primarily Urdu-speaking Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and North-West Frontier Province.

Separated by 1,200 miles, East and West Pakistan were hardly comfortable in the compact. Though the East was more populous, West Pakistan cornered the bulk of the Pakistani budget. The West was given more representation in the legislature than the East, and further fueling Bengali sub-nationalism, Urdu was made the official language. West Pakistan, with a 97% Muslim population, was also far less liberal than the East, where at least 15% of the population did not practice Islam. With Pakistan mostly under military rulers - all from West Pakistan - since 1958, any scope for political accommodation was limited. Successive military regimes tried to deal with the problem the only way they knew how - savage repression, adding to the spiral of hatred and tyranny.

The relationship between the two Pakistans became progressively more neo-colonial, with the protest against the West's domination growing shriller by the day in the East. The tension reached a flashpoint when in 1970, the Awami League led by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman swept the national elections, winning 167 of the 169 seats allotted for East Pakistan, giving it a majority in the 313-seat National Assembly and the right to form government at the center. Neither West Pakistani political leader Zulfikar Ali Bhutto nor General Yahya Khan would accept this Bengali ascendancy in national politics, and the convention of the newly elected National Assembly was postponed indefinitely. The Awami League, now convinced that there could never be any political cohabitation between the East and the West, called for "full regional autonomy" and Mujibar Rahman announced that he was taking over the East's administration.

The military now decided enough was enough. At a meeting of the military top brass, Yahya declared: "Kill 3 million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands." Accordingly, on the night of March 25, 1971, the Pakistan army launched "Operation Searchlight" to "crush" Bengali resistance in which Bengali members of military services were disarmed and killed, students and the intelligentsia systematically liquidated and able-bodied Bengali males just picked up and gunned down. Death squads roamed the streets of Dacca, killing some 7,000 people in a single night. "Within a week, half the population of Dacca had fled. All over East Pakistan, people were taking flight, and it was estimated that in April, some 30 million people were wandering helplessly across East Pakistan to escape the grasp of the military," writes Robert Payne in Massacre. Mujibur Rahman was arrested and the Awami League - which should have been ruling Pakistan - banned.

Then began the rapes. In Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, Susan Brownmiller likens it to the Japanese rapes in Nanjing and German rapes in Russia during World War II. "... 200,000, 300,000 or possibly 400,000 women (three sets of statistics have been variously quoted) were raped." Reporter Aubrey Menen describes an incident targeting a just-married couple: "Two [Pakistani soldiers] went into the room that had been built for the bridal couple. The others stayed behind with the family, one of them covering them with his gun. They heard a barked order, and the bridegroom's voice protesting. Then there was silence until the bride screamed. Then there was silence again, except for some muffled cries that soon subsided. In a few minutes one of the soldiers came out, his uniform in disarray. He grinned to his companions. Another soldier took his place in the room. And so on, until all the six had raped the belle of the village. Then they left. The father found his daughter lying on the string cot unconscious and bleeding. Her husband was crouched on the floor, kneeling over his vomit." (Quoted in Brownmiller's Against Our Will.)

As East Pakistan bled, refugees began to pour into India, some 8-10 million over the period of the genocide. India repeatedly pleaded with the US administration that it could not cope with any more refugees, and appealed that it use its influence over Pakistan and rein in Yahya. But Nixon continued to condone the repression. To a Pakistani delegation to Washington, DC, he said: "Yahya is a good friend. I understand the anguish of the decisions which Yahya had to make." Strangely, in his eyes, the military dictator was the victim - one forced so much against the wall that he had to conduct mass murders and rapes.

Even American consul general Archer Blood couldn't take his administration's position any more. In an act of open rebellion, he sent a telegram through the "dissent channel", condemning his country for failing "to denounce the suppression of democracy"; "to denounce atrocities", and for "bending over backwards to placate the West Pakistan-dominated government". "We, as professional public servants express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected in order to salvage our position as a moral leader of the world," the telegram read. Nixon's answer: "Don't squeeze Yahya at this time." Both the consul general and the head of the United States Information Service were subsequently transferred out for their anti-Pakistan views to prevent "any further negative reporting on the situation".

In India, US ambassador Kenneth Keating also made it clear that "military aid to Pakistan is just out of the question now while they are still killing in East Pakistan and refugees are fleeing across the border". He told Kissinger on June 3, 1971: "We are on the threshold of better relations with the one stable democracy in that part of the world. They are making real progress and want to be more friendly with us." Replied Kissinger: "In all honesty, the president has special feelings for Yahya. One cannot make policy on that basis, but it is a fact of life."

Nixon had a simple explanation for the wayward behavior of his ambassadors. At a meeting with members of the Senior Review Group in August 1971, he said: "Ambassadors who go to India fall in love with India. Some have the same experience in Pakistan, though not as many because the Pakistanis are a different breed. The Pakistanis are straightforward and sometimes extremely stupid. The Indians are more devious, sometimes so smart that we fall for their line."

Even as the refugee situation was escalating, the Nixon administration kept playing politics. Sample this conversation at the White House a day after George Harrison and his soul mate, Indian sitar player Ravi Shankar, held the "Concert for Bangladesh" to raise money for the refugees. "So who is the Beatle giving the money to - is it the goddamn Indians?" asks Nixon. "Yes," says Kissinger, adding that Pakistan had also been given $150,000 in food aid, but the major problem "is the goddamn distribution". Nixon butts in: "We have to keep India away." Agrees Kissinger: "We must defuse the refugee and famine problem in East Pakistan in order to deprive India of an excuse to start war. We have to avoid screwing Pakistan that outrageously ... We should start our goddamn lecturing on political structures as much as we can, and while there will eventually be a separate East Bengal in two years, it must not happen in the next six months."

By now India had completely given up on the US. In August 1971, it ended its non-aligned stance and signed the Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation with the Soviet Union to safeguard itself against any American intervention. At the end of October, Indira Gandhi embarked on a tour of Moscow, Washington and several Western capitals to assess the international mood. It is widely believed that she had already planned to attack East Pakistan before this public relations tour.

Nixon and Kissinger met at the Oval Office on the morning of November 5 to discuss the president's conversation with Indira on the previous day. Kissinger's assessment: "While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted ... She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war." Replied Nixon: "We really slobbered over the old witch." After she got home, the "old witch" wrote to Nixon: "I sincerely hope that your clear vision will guide relations between our two democracies and will help us to come closer. It will always be our effort to clear any misunderstanding and not to allow temporary differences to impede the strengthening of our friendship."

Within a day of Gandhi's return on November 21, Indian forces attacked East Pakistan at five key areas. Yahya's 70,000 soldiers deployed in the East were hopelessly outnumbered against the 200,000 Indian troops and the Mukti Bahini, Bengali guerrilla freedom fighters. Within 10 days, India had completely taken over the East. On December 16, after a final genocidal burst, Pakistan surrendered unconditionally. Awami leader Sheikh Mujibar Rahman was released and returned to establish Bangladesh's first independent parliament.

The US government supplied military equipment worth $3.8 million to the Pakistani dictatorship after the genocide started, even after telling Congress that all shipments to the regime had ceased. Throughout the war, the US government tried everything in its power to hinder India. The US policy included support of Pakistan in the United Nations, where it branded India as the aggressor, and putting pressure on the Soviets to discourage India, with the threat that the US-Soviet detente would be in jeopardy if Moscow did not play ball. When war broke out, Nixon promptly cut off economic aid to India, and at one point dispatched the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Enterprise to the Bay of Bengal to "intimidate" India. When nothing worked, it pleaded China to join the war to scare off India.

As millions suffered in East Pakistan, the only focus, an obsessive one, of the Nixon administration continued to be China. One of the reasons why Nixon sided with Yahya - apart from "he has been more decent to us than she [Indira] has" - was that the general was his conduit with China. In a personal letter of thanks to Yahya for his role in Sino-American rapprochement, Nixon wrote, "Those who want a more peaceful world in the generation to come will forever be in your debt." Yes, indeed. But once the war ended, the same US policy changed overnight. It quickly spotted a regional hegemon in India, and began to respect it. Though it had made it clear before the war that it would never have anything to do with Bangladesh, ever, it advised Pakistan to accept India's ceasefire offer, recognized the new country, and went about building bridges with India.

In that sense, this war was the turning point in Indo-US relations, triggering a slow and long process of engaging Delhi - a policy that picked up steam under Bill Clinton and accelerated further under George W Bush. Testifying before the House International Relations Subcommittee for Asia and the Pacific, Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, Christina Rocca, last week said: "We are accelerating the transformation of our relationship with India, with a number of new initiatives." With India "this is a watershed year", she said, with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh scheduled to visit the US next month and President Bush promising to go to India some time later this year".

Seen as a possible counterweight to the same China for which it sacrificed the lives and honor of millions of Bangladeshi men and women three decades ago, the US is even said to be tilting to India as a possible permanent UN Security Council member. Even Kissinger has come out strongly in favor of a permanent seat for India. "I'm known as a strong advocate and one of the originators of close relations with China. I believe that today I am also a strong advocate of close relations with India," he was recently quoted as saying. Bring home the bastards, such are the compulsions of geopolitics.

This is the same India whose nuclear tests a few years ago drew sanctions from the US. But as in the Bangladesh war, it has lost little time in reversing its position. Now it conducts military exercises with India and offers to make fighter jets with it. In addition to US Undersecretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns' agenda when he reaches India on Friday is, curiously, a deal on civilian nuclear energy, which may be unveiled during Manmohan Singh's trip. This serial policy infidelity has only one explanation: the US understands power, and respects power. That's why it pounces on Iraq and engages North Korea. Manmohan Singh would do well to remember this when he embarks on his trip to the US to chase India's UN dream. Groveling won't help, growling might.

And yes, he might also consider coloring up his staid beard a tad lest a declassified UN document 30 years hence finds him mentioned as an "old fogey".

Debasish Roy Chowdhury is a Correspondent for Asia Times Online based in Thailand.


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To: Brian Allen

"[Thanks for the ping, GK -- keep me posted and I'll keep you informed! Blessings -- Brian]"

Yes! If only you manage to spell my name right!


41 posted on 06/22/2005 2:12:42 PM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: robowombat
"...russian hiddenhand ploy to remind Indians that the US has not been their best bud in the past?"

Yep. Much of that has been happening for some time.
42 posted on 06/22/2005 3:07:49 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: robowombat
This is really very interesting, but the question is why bring up ancient US-Indian enmities on the eve of the Indian PM's visit with Pres. Bush.

2 reasons.

1)Pakistan (our "unwavering ally" in the war on terror).

2)China. (Our friendly trading partner who threatens to invade Taiwan and whose relationship with India is tense at best and is its biggest regional economic competitor).

This article is a shot across the bow asking America not to drive India away again for Pakistan and China.

A sort of " we could have been your friends, but you sacrifised us for people that wound up being closeted enemies".

43 posted on 06/22/2005 3:47:26 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: pganini
Indians at that time were pro-Russian (despite their claim they were not aligned).

Made sense at the time for them.

America doesn't have a history of going around and invading countries, but Indias neighbors to the north did.

Also China and India were bitter enemies, In the world of India, you don't have to worry about the Americans, the Soviets won't invade you if you play nice, and your enemy happens to also be their enemy.

Worked out well to some extent.

44 posted on 06/22/2005 3:50:47 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: QQQQQ
Another good example why presidential tapes should not be made public.

I think they should be, but not for like 50 or 60 years at least.

45 posted on 06/22/2005 3:52:08 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: JanCBurton
He also knew exactly what Saddam would do with satelite images of Iranian troops (ie. burn then up with chemical weapons).

From what I read, Reagan thought Saddam was going to bomb the living heck out of them, no one thought he would actually use chemical weapons (for any reason, even tactically, they aren't the best choice).

When Saddam did, everybody was stunned.

46 posted on 06/22/2005 3:54:21 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: liberallarry
He had some pretty glaring weaknesses.

Michael Moore in one of his books conceded that Nixon was more liberal then every single president who came after him.

Also explains why Reagan hated him so much.

From what I know and heard, Nixon was the one guy Reagan just could not be nice to.

47 posted on 06/22/2005 3:57:02 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: MikeinIraq

Somewhere I read that Kissinger actually would pour glasses of wine for Nixon. I have never completely trusted him. I would not rule out the possibility that he was subtly driving much of the disfunction of the Nixon WH.


48 posted on 06/22/2005 4:21:45 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

an interesting insinuation....

makes me wonder if Nixon was a puppet...


49 posted on 06/22/2005 4:26:12 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: robowombat

RE: Snubbed India when with surprising alacrity it offered bases and assistance to Washington to prosecute its war against terrorists operating out of Afghanistan in preference to tainted Pakistani support that was acquired by dire threats

Huge, huge mistake!


50 posted on 06/22/2005 4:29:27 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Gengis Khan

Indeed, any failure to acheive alliance of a serious nature may be a fatal mistake for both countries.


51 posted on 06/22/2005 4:31:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Sonny M

RE: This article is a shot across the bow asking America not to drive India away again for Pakistan and China.

It really does not get any more simple and straight forward than this. I am frustrated that so many people still don't get it. Who would we rather partner with - Confuciocommunists and Islamomoonbats, or the world's largest free country? Seems like a no brainer to me!


52 posted on 06/22/2005 4:35:22 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Sonny M

I did not realize that. Fascinating! It really does explain a lot.


53 posted on 06/22/2005 4:37:16 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: MikeinIraq

I think Nixon was not a puppet but was highly insecure. He was raised a Quaker. I would imagine that some of what he ended up dealing with threw him for a look versus his childhood belief system. I understand he was prone to drinking binges and self destructive emotional behavior. A smart and intelligent guy but with many, many personal problems.


54 posted on 06/22/2005 4:39:26 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

look > loop.


55 posted on 06/22/2005 4:40:24 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Racehorse

Yes, I noticed that quote.

This article presents a very different view than the actual Nixon Papers, in my opinion.

From the Papers linked in post #18:

“A political crisis in Pakistan developed out of Bengali demands for autonomy for East Pakistan, demands which were highlighted by the results of the general election in December 1970.”

And

India's concerns and sensitivities, on the other hand, were accorded scant sympathy in the “White House. On May 13, Prime Minister Gandhi wrote to President Nixon about the "carnage in East Bengal" which "disturbed the Indian people deeply." She added that the impact of millions of refugees imposed an enormous burden upon India and impacted heavily upon its economy. There were by Indian count over 2 million refugees in West Bengal and the flow was increasing. The situation, she warned, could become explosive. (46) Indian Ambassador L. K. Jha warned Kissinger on May 21 that without evidence that Pakistan would reverse the military repression and restore the political rights of the population of East Pakistan, there was strong support in India for the idea of arming the refugees and sending them back as guerrillas. (52) By the end of May, reports were coming to Washington about Indian forces gathering along the border with East Pakistan. The United States passed the word to India that it was opposed to military intervention in the civil war. Nixon said that if India intervened militarily "by God we will cut off economic aid." (55) In a subsequent conversation with Kissinger on May 26, Nixon said that "the goddamn Indians" were promoting another war. Kissinger agreed: "they are the most aggressive goddamn people around." (59)

Nixon and Kissinger, who managed the United States response to the crisis to the virtual exclusion of the Department of State, met in Washington in June with Indian Foreign Minister Swaran Singh and attempted to persuade him that the civil war need not evolve into conflict between India and Pakistan. When Nixon met with Singh on June 16, he tried to defuse the crisis by offering $70 million in humanitarian assistance to help offset the expenses involved in dealing with the refugees. Singh, who expanded on the "tremendous problems" created for India by the often destitute refugees, expressed appreciation for the offer but insisted that the fundamental question was how to stop the flow of refugees. It would not be possible, he said, to "buy the problem away." (73)”

And

“Nixon's view of the emerging crisis was expressed in an NSC meeting on July 16. The Indians, he said, are "a slippery, treacherous people." He felt that they would like nothing more than to take advantage of the opportunity to destroy Pakistan. Kissinger agreed that India seemed bent upon war.”

Can someone explain to me India's motivation to war with Pakistan here?


56 posted on 06/22/2005 7:06:11 PM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: liberallarry

"The Indians are more devious, sometimes so smart that we fall for their line..."

Nixon felt that way about the Jews as well.

***That's why Nixon picked an Irishman for his Sec of State.
O'Kissingerahan was his name.


57 posted on 06/22/2005 8:03:04 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: GOP_1900AD

well said


58 posted on 06/22/2005 8:26:49 PM PDT by desidude_in_us (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: purpleland
President Nixon and...the Jewish Problem
59 posted on 06/22/2005 8:53:24 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: robowombat
The compromises that the US is making with Pakistan appear to be inconsistent with the declared US national security strategy and in breach of existing US laws. The logic - if any exists - is missed in Delhi. What however comes out loud and clear is the US Administration efforts to bolster Pakistan's security concerns at the cost of those of India.

From Thomas Barnett's interesting--and influential--book,  The Pentagon's New Map, War and Peace in the Twenty-first Century.  The occasion was attendance at the 2001 Indian hosted International Fleet Review.

Before I went to India I received some advice from my local intelligence unit:  stuff I might look out for, questions I might ask, and good answers I might provide to tough questions from foreign officials.  A basic primer on how to behave in conversation.

So when Pakistan was raised as a security issue for South Asia, a lot of pointing fingers came flying out from my Indian hosts and most of them found their way to my chest.  The basic message was loud and clear:  "You Americans have no real sense of how dangerous the Pakis are.  But someday, when the right trolley car comes rolling down the track, we're going to jump on that car and show you truly how bad these people are!  We only hope you have the sense to support the right side when it finally happens."

My reply was the same one I've been giving for years to both Pakistanis and Indians.  "No one on our side wants to see this war, and if you think America is automatically going to jump in on your side and back your military, they you're wrong.  All we're going to do is try our best to shut down the conflict as quickly as possible, the we're going to send in the relief workers, diplomats, and radiation experts to sort it all out."  In my opinion, any nuclear exchange would be a horrific outcome for both sides, but worse for India because it would kill much of its connectivity to the global economy, whereas Pakistan--a truly disconnected state--would lose far less in the end.

My message was my own personal variant of what the U.S. Government has been telling India quietly for years.  Those sorts of messages are an important component of both diplomacy and what I call the exporting of security; they just make clear to our friends what we believe are the essential security rule sets.  By making those rule sets clear, in countless exchanges between our nation and India, we draw a little closer to them and they draw a little closer to us.

. . . In the aftermath of 9/11, Pakistan was in a world of trouble with the United States, because we knew al Qaeda was operating all over Pakistan's northern sections bordering Afghanistan.

America had no choice but to get back in bed militarily with Pakistan following 9/11 and our invasion of Afghanistan, but we also escalated our military-to-military cooperation with India, so both sides were feeling they had a big friend in the United States.  . . .


60 posted on 06/23/2005 12:15:47 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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