Mexican drug commandos expand ops in 6 U.S. states

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 21, 2005

[Know your rights]

With the tens of thousands of lives destroyed with alcohol each year, I see it as the single most destructive drug (substance if anyone prefers) imaginable. Others may point to tobacco, but I've yet to hear of a single case where some smoker has one too many cigarettes and goes into a rage beating a spouse, children or strangers.

Do you support a return to Prohibition? If not, why not?

[G32]

The 'Great Society' welfare programs, if that's what you're referring to, are one of the worst things ever to happen to this country outside of gun control.

[Ken H]

Are you a supporter of Wickard, and the LBJ view of the general Welfare Clause?

The 'Great Society' welfare programs, if that's what you're referring to, are one of the worst things ever to happen to this country outside of gun control.

I'm referring to LBJ's expansive view of the general Welfare Clause as a grant of power for Federal programs. Do you support such a view?

What about Wickard?

[G32]

I would not lump expansive welfare in with illegal drugs, except for the fact that illegal drug use drives a lot of people to get on welfare.

Wickard, as related to the commerce clause? I'm for anything that's against illegal drugs.

[backtothestreets]

Despite my feelings towards people that over-indudlge in the use of alcohol, Prohibition failed because it could not stop the use, it only prohibited LEGAL distribution. So in addition to the number of lives being lost from use, the country had a much higher body count with all the gangs that suddenly involved themselves violently in the illegal trade.

I wouldn't want a return to the days of Prohibition. I'm not the brightest person, but I know not to repeat an error. Prohibition was an error.

I don't mind people that have a drink now and then. It's the overindulgence and substance invoked stupidity I cannot tolerate.

BTW, did you see the article over the weekend about the number of Chicago precincts that have been voted dry? Here's one link, but I'm certain there are others out there: http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0506/21/A02-221016.htm

That's the way the law works. Leave it in the hands of the local communities.

[Ken H]

I would not lump expansive welfare in with illegal drugs, except for the fact that illegal drug use drives a lot of people to get on welfare.

You may not, but the WOD does. From the 1984 CSA: "The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people."

From LBJ War On Poverty speech, March 16, 1964: "The Congress is charged by the Constitution to 'provide . . . for the general welfare of the United States.' Our present abundance is a measure of its success in fulfilling that duty. Now Congress is being asked to extend that welfare to all our people."

"Today we are asked to declare war on a domestic enemy which threatens the strength of our nation and the welfare of our people"

Wickard, as related to the commerce clause? I'm for anything that's against illegal drugs.

You have just outed yourself as a New Deal living, breathing constitutionalist. That's Liberal.

[G32]

You can call me a liberal all you want. Perhaps compared to you I am.

Funny how the liberals are so pro drugs though. You'd think it would be a liberal cause.. You and Soros share the same side if you support drugs.

[rahbert]

Yabbut theres no guarantee of purity when some dopah
manufactures a drug in the kitchen from some folk
recipe. There are by-products (such as strychnine)
that show up in home made LSD.

Only fools assume that any illegally manufactured
drug is harmless.

[Ken H]

You can call me a liberal all you want.

Your own statements designate you as a liberal constitutionalist.

You and Soros share the same side if you support drugs.

We have a worse drug problem now than we did in 1900, when there was no prohibition. We have a worse drug problem now than we did when the WOD was given cabinet level status. So perhaps you should point the pro-drug finger at yourself.

BTW, the UN has been waging a WOD for over 50 years. How does it feel to be on the same side as the UN?

[G32]

Do you oppose the WOT?

[who knows what evil?]

WHY have we allowed cowardly politicians, arrogant egocentric judges, twisted entertainment figures, and biased journalists turn us into such a nation of compliant whimps???

The twin swords of political correctness and feminism have effectively neutered ths formerly great country. Batten down the hatches.

[coloradan]

one of the worst things ever to happen to this country outside of gun control.

In case you didn't know, the first federal gun control law, NFA '34, was a direct result of alcohol prohibition. (The BATFE was a make-work program for revenue agents, put out of work by the end of Prohibition, and the gang warfare that erupted as a result of Prohibition I.) Furthermore, a lot of present gun control laws are offspring of the Prohibition II, the War On (some) Drugs. The illustrious Kennedy Family rose to political power on the coattails of illegal alcohol profits.

[G32]

"The illustrious Kennedy Family rose to political power on the coattails of illegal alcohol profits."

Bash the criminals, not the law.

[Ken H]

Do you oppose the WOT?

No.

Which brings up an interesting point. Do you agree that the underground nature of the illegal drug trade finances criminals and terrorists?

[1L]

>> violate peoples' rights; drug sale and use do not<<

Tell that to the people in the ghettos that can't go outside or let their children out of their site for fear of violence.

Tell that to victims of DUI.

Tell that to the people who are victims of robbery used to support a habit.

Tell that to the companies that pay higher health insurance premiums as well as deal with employee leave issues due to drug abuse. (You want to fire them? Fine with me, but we had all sorts of people screaming bloody murder on here due to employees being fired because they refused to quit smoking).

Tell that to whoever has to keep paying for rehab that doesn't work: parents; family; friends; even the government.

[G32]

The WOT is for the 'general welfare' of the citizens. I'm surprised you support it.

And absolutely I believe everyone that buys illegal drugs is supporting terrorism. Damn them.

[A CA Guy]

I think then perhaps you are missing my point as well.

Because we have to deal with one problem in society with alcohol, we don't need more of them released into society with pot or other drugs.
Alcohol abuse often is connected to what is illegal in the law.

You shouldn't assume that because we can all point to the problems with alcohol, that we should also therefore be able to release drugs, bestiality, pedophilia, prostitution of any other vice into legal society as normal.

The worst thing you can do is to remove the stigma of the illegal drugs and their users.

Right now you have the Vietnam vets and hippies of the 60's that got hooked into drugs like pot. They are getting older and starting to die now.
As that generation dies, there will be an improvement in the culture in that there will be less of an open lust for drugs politically IMO.

[ArmyTeach]

KEEP REMINDING US!

[A CA Guy]

I've linked them to all the drug threads at DU, especially Aunti Pinko!

[atlanta67]

"'Somebody 'splain to us again how the Drug War is a good thing."'

well using that logic I guess we should throw open the border and let all mexicans move here as well. After all legal drugs and one mexican/american nation would put these Zeta out of business real fast huh?