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Protect Libraries From FBI Snoops! (WI Op/Ed)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | June 20, 2005 | Uncredited

Posted on 06/21/2005 7:58:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: hiramknight

So internet records are public property?


41 posted on 06/21/2005 9:47:58 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio


A PUBLIC library is niether a "person, houses, papers, or effects,"......IT'S PUBLIC!!!!


42 posted on 06/21/2005 9:49:52 AM PDT by hiramknight
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To: MplsSteve

Hoe does anybody know we all didn't have a microchip inserted under our skin at birth at and that everything we do isn't controlled by some giant being as part of an intergalactical board game that only takes 15 minutes in his time to play?????????? HHHHMMMMMM??????????


43 posted on 06/21/2005 9:55:21 AM PDT by hiramknight
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To: hiramknight

Good point!


44 posted on 06/21/2005 9:56:41 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: hiramknight

People should have free access to information without fear of government reprisals. Do you disagree?


45 posted on 06/21/2005 9:59:22 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

One group of terrorists in New York went to the municipal library and studied the plans of the Lincoln Tunnel, etc., in order to plan how to place their bombs. These plans weren't the terrorists personal property; they belonged to the taxpayers.
Another case, if you believe the ACLU and the NYTimes, involved an attempt to discover who wrote a threat in the margins of a bio of Bin Laden. A later reader reported the writing and the FBI tried to find out who had borrowed the book. I'm not sure that people have a right to make terrorist threats, in library books or elsewhere.


46 posted on 06/21/2005 10:06:21 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Will any of this help keep video-rentals secret?

It seems to me, that the general public had no right to know which videos Clarence Thomas rented.

47 posted on 06/21/2005 10:07:50 AM PDT by syriacus (1st Michael couldn't stand to live without Terri. Then he couldn't stand to live with her.)
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To: joylyn
No, but people have a right to read what they want without the government looking over their shoulder at all times.

I think a group of psycho terrorists caused 9/11. I don't think our freedom and liberty was to blame. And I don't see how giving government free reign to snoop and spy as it has always wanted to is going to buy us any safety.

As usual, tyranny is incremental, and as usual, it is greeted with the thunderous applause of those who lack foresight.
48 posted on 06/21/2005 10:10:00 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

As far as the internet goes. If it's an account generated on a "PUBLIC" terminal, in a "PUBLIC" library payed for with "PUBLIC" tax dollars....YES!!

If it's done with your own "PERSONAL" and "PRIVATE" computer.....no

Get it?? PUBLIC versus PRIVATE


49 posted on 06/21/2005 10:12:21 AM PDT by hiramknight
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I'm not convinced that a library, even a public one, is
a venue devoid of the expectation of privacy. Since the
issue is not all that clear to me, the error should be
on the side of the BoR.

Let them convince a judge of probable cause, get a warrant,
then conduct the search.

This was a stupid provision, giving ammo to liberals far
in excess of its actual investigative value.


50 posted on 06/21/2005 10:16:33 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: mysterio

And they do as long as it's not information on bomb making being attained by some guy here on a student visa who's not going to school, has been here for a month, and who's last name Alhashani.


51 posted on 06/21/2005 10:17:19 AM PDT by hiramknight
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To: hiramknight

It's amazing to me that you can support this just because your party is in power.


52 posted on 06/21/2005 10:23:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: inquest
"All it did was carve out the narrowest of exceptions in order to please a narrow constituency of liberals."

When did the American Conservative Union become part of a 'narrow constituency of liberals'?
53 posted on 06/21/2005 10:25:52 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: hiramknight

And on top of that, they don't have to tell you that they searched your records, and the librarian can be PROSECUTED for telling you. Who can possibly support that?


54 posted on 06/21/2005 10:26:34 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
"It's amazing to me that you can support this just because your party is in power."

Can you imagine how rabid the cries of 'treason' would be if this were being done under the Clinton administration?
55 posted on 06/21/2005 10:28:24 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent

I used to lurk here in the late '90s, so yes. And I remember Ashcroft wrote a long article about not sacrificing liberty to the federal government around then. But for the life of me, I can't find it now.


56 posted on 06/21/2005 10:30:27 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

I support this because I am a husband and father who wants people who would like to do harm to my family simply because we are American to be hunted down and killed by whatever means possible by my government....not because my party is in power.


57 posted on 06/21/2005 10:30:29 AM PDT by hiramknight
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To: mysterio
And on top of that, they don't have to tell you that they searched your records, and the librarian can be PROSECUTED for telling you. Who can possibly support that?

If you did nothing wrong, than you have nothing to hide.

/sarcasm

58 posted on 06/21/2005 10:33:16 AM PDT by to_zion
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To: hiramknight
Why do you suppose our founding fathers put restrictions on the federal government in the first place?

Will you trust future administrations to not abuse these new powers? Have you read the definition of "domestic terrorism" in the "patriot" act? The "patriot" act turns even our founding fathers into "terrorists."
59 posted on 06/21/2005 10:34:40 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: NJ_gent
Can you imagine how rabid the cries of 'treason' would be if this were being done under the Clinton administration?

But they say they are more secure now, yet they have lost the freedom to think and act for themselves.

60 posted on 06/21/2005 10:35:52 AM PDT by to_zion
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