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Andrew Sullivan: DURBIN SAID NOTHING WRONG
andrewsullivan.com ^ | 06/21/05 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/21/2005 6:12:00 AM PDT by Pokey78

I've now read and re-read Senator Dick Durbin's comments on interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay. They are completely, perfectly respectable. The rank hysteria being perpetrated by some on the right is what is shameful. Hugh Hewitt should answer one single question: does he doubt the FBI interrogator who witnessed the appalling treatment of some detainees at Guantanamo? Here's the report:

On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food, or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold... On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor."
Is Hewitt arguing that the interrogator was lying? Does he believe that the kind of tactics used against this prisoner are worthy of the United States? Does he believe that this happened without authorization? If he were told this story and informed that it occurred in, say, Serbia under Milosevic, would he be surprised? Hewitt should then answer the same question about the 5 detainees which the U.S. government itself has acknowledged were tortured to death by U.S. interrogators, and the scores of others who died in detention during or after "interrogation". Does he deny that this happened? Does he honestly believe that removing the legal restrictions on cruel and inhumane treatment of detainees by our current president had nothing to do with this? Maybe he needs a little refresher on the extraordinary range and scale of the record of abuse that is still accumulating. I'm just amazed that some can view what has happened and their first instinct is to attack those who have criticized it, rather than those who have perpetrated it. It is this administration that has brought indelible shame on America, and it's people like Dick Durbin who prove that some can actually stand up against this stain on American honor and call it what it is. Good for him. Thank God for him.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: admittedbarebacker; andrewbarkingmoonbat; andrewsullivan; armageddon; barebacker; burka; cino; durbin; gitmo; guantanamo; homosexual; pinko; proudbarebacker; rino; traitor
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If the Taliban endorsed gay marriage, Andrew would be the first to put on a burka.
1 posted on 06/21/2005 6:12:00 AM PDT by Pokey78
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If the Taliban endorsed gay marriage, Andrew would be the first to put on a burka.

ROTFLMAO!

2 posted on 06/21/2005 6:13:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78

The continued deterioration of a once insightful mind is a sad thing to watch.


3 posted on 06/21/2005 6:15:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Pokey78
If the Taliban endorsed gay marriage, Andrew would be the first to put on a burka.

How do you know he doesn't wear one now?

4 posted on 06/21/2005 6:16:07 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Pokey78

I am sure the Taliban is happy to have friends like sullivan and turban durbin.


5 posted on 06/21/2005 6:16:32 AM PDT by Pylot
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If the Taliban endorsed gay marriage, Andrew would be the first to put on a burka.

ROFL!!!!!!!! Post of the day!!!!!!!!

6 posted on 06/21/2005 6:16:33 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Cincinatus

Yes, I say he needs to be starved to death.


7 posted on 06/21/2005 6:16:55 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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"Yes, I say he needs to be starved to death."

Won't work. He eats meat daily.
8 posted on 06/21/2005 6:19:33 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: Pokey78
On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food, or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more.

If Andy was allowed access to the rooms, I'm surprised he didn't lick the prisoners clean!!

9 posted on 06/21/2005 6:19:43 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Pokey78

Undoubtedly, Sullivan is pathetic.


10 posted on 06/21/2005 6:19:51 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Pokey78

One can have issues about specific policies at Guantanamo and elsewhere, but surely even Andrew Sullivan can recognize that comparing the US to the Nazis, Soviets and Khmer Rouge is simply inaccurate and inflamatory. I guess not. Emotion seems to take over Mr. Sullivan at the expense of reason and fairness.


11 posted on 06/21/2005 6:19:57 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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"I've now read and re-read Senator Dick Durbin's comments on interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay. They are completely, perfectly respectable."

Fair enough. So does Sullivan believe that the interrogation techniques at GiTMO of enemy wartime combatants are essentially the equivalence of the death camps for civilian political or racial enemies in the regimes of Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot?

12 posted on 06/21/2005 6:20:40 AM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: Pokey78

I thought Andy boy was a conservative.


13 posted on 06/21/2005 6:21:00 AM PDT by Houmatt (Jeb Bush is a moron. Tracking devices on sex offenders? Give me a break!)
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To: Pokey78
Outstanding.

The Barking Moonbat Left is signing on to the concept that Gitmo is worse than the Gulags and Pol Pot.

This couldn't be going ANY better.


14 posted on 06/21/2005 6:21:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: All
By the way: Confession time.

I am Karl Rove.

15 posted on 06/21/2005 6:22:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Pokey78

A friend of mine is a cop and he says criminals always urinate on themselves when they are in the backseat of the squad car. They do it intentionally to piss off the arresting cop. These terrorists are probably doing the same thing. Knowing damn well they will get a shower.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 6:23:05 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! (ours, not theirs!))
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To: Pokey78
Andrew Sullivan is missing the point, entirely. Whether or not this FBI "agent" is legit or not; Durbin's commentary was reprehensible in comparing Gitmo to Gulags... Egads, even the most bizarre stories about goings on at Gitmo.. can't even begin to compare with Stalin's gulags.

Poor Andrew.

17 posted on 06/21/2005 6:23:07 AM PDT by Alia
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Never mind that the FBI agent said there is no such information in that report.

Seems like this is another Dan Rather moment, along with the Downing Street 'memo'.

Does Sullivan thnink Al Jazeera jumping on this durbin statement is a good thing for those risking their lives?

18 posted on 06/21/2005 6:23:42 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: Houmatt

He is . . . . or was. . . . at one time.


19 posted on 06/21/2005 6:25:14 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Lazamataz

The STDs are apparently working on him.


20 posted on 06/21/2005 6:27:35 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! (ours, not theirs!))
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