he doesn't answer #7 - "is/was this person retired from military service". whay would he do that?
Page 3 is a Photocopy INCLUDING SIGNATURE of page 2. I don't believe that would be valid. they changed the address with the copy machine, if this would work ANY news room could print this 180 changes the c=o address and get a 180 for themselves.
This should be breaking news...
Not a release to the public
Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts
John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts
Why does Hanoi Kerry continue to refuse to sign
form SF 180 and release his military records to the public?
Sam Sewell 09 June 2005
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article4388.html
Does anyone know is the Navy ordinarily uses a six digit service number?
Well .. somebody from Powerline should check with John O'Neill because he says this is not all of John's records. In fact I heard him say that when you sign a 180 - you release ALL documents - including citations - and discharge papers. And .. I heard later that it is possible for John to sign for the release of only certain documents - but that's not a 180.
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I'm following the same story on LGF, and there are a lot of negative comments about powerline. did I miss something?
INSTRUCTION AND INFORMATION SHEET FOR SF 180, REQUEST PERTAINING TO MILITARY RECORDS
1. Information needed to locate records. Certain identifying information is necessary to determine the location of an individual's record of military service. Please try to answer each item on the SF 180. If you do not have and cannot obtain the information for an item, show "NA," meaning the information is "not available." Include as much of the requested information as you can.
2. Restrictions on release of information. Release of information is subject to restrictions imposed by the military services consistent with Department of Defense regulations and the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and the Privacy Act of 1974. The service member (either past or present) or the member's legal guardian has access to almost any information contained in that member's own record. Others requesting information from military personnel/health records must have the release authorization in Section III of the SF 180 signed by the member or legal guardian, but if the appropriate signature cannot be obtained, only limited types of information can be provided. If the former member is deceased, surviving next of kin may, under certain circumstances, be entitled to greater access to a deceased veteran's records than a member of the public. The next of kin may be any of the following: unremarried surviving spouse, father, mother, son, daughter, sister, or brother. Employers and others needing proof of military service are expected to accept the information shown on documents issued by the military service departments at the time a service member is separated.
3. Where reply may be sent. The reply may be sent to the member or any other address designated by the member or other authorized requester.
4. Charges for service. There is no charge for most services provided to members or their surviving next of kin. A nominal fee is charged for certain types of service. In most instances service fees cannot be determined in advance. If your request involves a service fee, you will be notified as soon as that determination is made.
5. Health and personnel records. Health records of persons on active duty are generally kept at the local servicing clinic, and usually are available from the Department of Veterans Affairs a week or two after the last day of active duty. (See page 2 of SF180 for record locations/addresses.)
6. Records at the National Personnel Records Center. Note that it takes at least three months, and often up to seven, for the file to reach the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis after the military obligation has ended (such as by discharge). If only a short time has passed, please send the inquiry to the address shown for active or current reserve members. Also, if the person has only been released from active duty but is still in a reserve status, the personnel record will stay at the location specified for reservists. A person can retain a reserve obligation for several years, even without attending meetings or receiving annual training. (See page 2 of SF180 for record locations/addresses.)
7. Definitions and abbreviations. DISCHARGED -- the individual has no current military status; HEALTH -- Records of physical examinations, dental treatment, and outpatient medical treatment received while in a duty status (does not include records of treatment while hospitalized); TDRL – Temporary Disability Retired List.
8. Service completed before World War I. National Archives Trust Fund (NATF) forms must be used to request these records. Obtain the forms by e-mail from inquire@nara.gov or write to the Code 6 address on page 2 of the SF 180.
PRIVACY ACT OF 1974 COMPLIANCE INFORMATION
The following information is provided in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552a(e)(3) and applies to this form. Authority for collection of the information is 44 U.S.C. 2907, 3101, and 3103, and Public Law 104-134 (April 26, 1996), as amended in title 31, section 7701. Disclosure of the information is voluntary. If the requested information is not provided, it may delay servicing your inquiry because the facility servicing the service member's record may not have all of the information needed to locate it. The purpose of the information on this form is to assist the facility servicing the records (see the address list) in locating the correct military service record(s) or information to answer your inquiry. This form is then filed in the requested military service record as a record of disclosure. The form may also be disclosed to Department of Defense components, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Transportation (Coast Guard), or the National Archives and Records Administration when the original custodian of the military health and personnel records transfers all or part of those records to that agency. If the service member was a member of the National Guard, the form may also be disclosed to the Adjutant General of the appropriate state, District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico, where he or she served.
PAPERWORK REDUCTION ACT PUBLIC BURDEN STATEMENT
Public burden reporting for this collection of information is estimated to be five minutes per response, including time for reviewing instructions and completing and reviewing the collection of information. Send comments regarding the burden estimate or any other aspect of the collection of information, including suggestions for reducing this burden, to National Archives and Records Administration (NHP), 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001. DO NOT SEND COMPLETED FORMS TO THIS ADDRESS. SEND COMPLETED FORMS AS INDICATED IN THE ADDRESS LIST ON PAGE 2 OF THE SF 180.
However, because he did not properly fill out this form it would be unusual if the request is even granted.
Another telltale sign about his penchant for things "European:" Look at the number "7" in his service record number. He printed the "7" in the European fashion...with that line across the / part of the number. I know some people who do this, usually those who are "snooty" or trying to impress others. However, maybe this is a hold over from military days - do they make their "7" that way? If so, he sure did not apply the same attention to detail throughout the completion of this form. What a sloppy job he did.
"Senator" Kerry, you get an "F" for effort, penmanship, and following directions on a form. Just like you do everything else, half-ar$ed and unacceptable.
http://www.nysun.com/article/15790
"A spokesman for Mr. Kerry rebuffed a request from the Sun for access to the service and medical files released to the other three news organizations."
Why?
So release of his records to three of his liberal buddies and no one else is considered a release to the public?
What a joke.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010797.php
June 21, 2005
Mixed up, take 2
Josh Gerstein of the New York Sun and freelancer Thomas Lipscomb are the only two reporters who have undertaken to resolve the mystery of John Kerry's SF-180. Earlier this month we noted their stories on the subject in "Mixed-up." Having received copies of the three Kerry SF-180 forms (posted below) pursuant to a FOIA request, Gerstein returns to the subject today in "Kerry grants three reporters broad access to Navy records." Gerstein quotes John O'Neill, who no longer raises any question about the manner in which the forms were filled out:
One of Mr. Kerry's most steadfast critics, Houston attorney John O'Neill, said yesterday that the latest information from the Navy did not address the issue of whether Mr. Kerry's record might have been purged. "The real question was, was other material in there and was anything expunged?" Mr. O'Neill said.
In this article Gerstein does not return to the question he had addressed earlier regarding the location of Kerry's complete military records. In his earlier article, he quoted a Navy spokesman asserting that the released documents constituted "the whole record." What does the National Personnel Records Center say? We don't know. Gerstein concludes his article on this note:
Mr. Kerry first promised to make public his full Navy record more than a year ago. Mr. Kerry signed the waivers for the wire service [Glen Johnson of the AP] and the Globe on May 20. The form for the Times was signed June 6.
A spokesman for Mr. Kerry rebuffed a request from the Sun for access to the service and medical files released to the other three news organizations.
When the Globe's Michael Kranish reported on Kerry's records earlier this month, I noted that Kerry was either the world's worst politician or that something was missing from his records. I believe that observation still applies.
Posted by Scott at 05:57 AM
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To me this proves Kerry still has intent to run for President. Why else woudl he sign the 180 now?
All you need to know that these forms were filled out carfully under the direction of a lawyers.
Yte they appear to be sloppily filled out as if in ignorance.
Betcha the lawyers called and asked what must be on the forms in order to not be rejected. Betcha some things that are required are not filled in.