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Key To Downing Street Fakes? (Can I Be Famous Like Buckhead?)
20 JUNE 05 | Doctor Raoul

Posted on 06/20/2005 7:17:40 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul

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To: kcvl
Ok...from my research I have found that most think that Michael Smith of Rathergate and this Michael Smith are two separate guys. But the coincidences are getting weirder...check this out:

You'd think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ''CYA'' memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times' owner) until the 1980s.

Source

161 posted on 06/21/2005 9:38:52 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: randog
He used Dan Rather's typewriter:

I know you were joking but...

You'd think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ''CYA'' memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times' owner) until the 1980s.

Source

Weird coincidence, huh.

162 posted on 06/21/2005 9:45:50 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: kcvl
Okay...this is getting even weirder...the strange connection to the yellow cake memos, which incidentally also turned out to be forgeries...

In its rush to air its now discredited story about President George W. Bush’s National Guard service, CBS bumped another sensitive piece slated for the same “60 Minutes” broadcast: a half-hour segment about how the U.S. government was snookered by forged documents purporting to show Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium from Niger.

Burba, the Italian journalist, confirmed to NEWSWEEK this week that Martino is the previously mysterious “Mr. X” who contacted her with the potentially explosive documents in early October 2002—just as Congress was debating whether to authorize President Bush to wage war against Iraq. The documents, consisting of telexes, letters and contracts, purported to show that Iraq had negotiated an agreement to purchase 500 tons of “yellowcake uranium from Niger, material that could be used to make a nuclear bomb. (A U.S. intelligence official told NEWSWEEK that Martino is in fact believed to have been the distributor of the documents.)

One striking aspect of the FBI’s investigation is that, at least as of this week, Martino has told associates he has never even been interviewed by the bureau—despite the fact that he was publicly identified by the Financial Times of London as the source of the documents more than six weeks ago and was subsequently flown to New York City by CBS to be interviewed for the “60 Minutes” report.

MSNBC

Per the article Rocco Martino is a mysterious Roman businessman with longstanding ties to European intelligence agencies.

And guess who is attending the Downing Street Memo inquiry...none other than...{drum roll)...

Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson said, "We are having this discussion today because we failed to have it three years ago when we went to war."

"It used to be said that democracies were difficult to mobilize for war precisely because of the debate required," Wilson said, going on to say the lack of debate in this case allowed the war to happen.

Wilson wrote a 2003 newspaper opinion piece criticizing the Bush administration's claim that Iraq had sought uranium in Niger. After the piece appeared, someone in the Bush administration leaked the identity of Wilson's wife as a CIA operative, exposing her cover.

CNN

I feel like I am playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon...but why do I also feel this bacon is sizzling?

163 posted on 06/21/2005 10:54:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Holicheese

So the guy in UK is also a sports writer for the Boston Bulb .. I don't think so. Must be another Michael Smith.


164 posted on 06/21/2005 1:14:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

That was my point. There are more than one Michael Smith.
I think the sarcasm lamp was already lit!


165 posted on 06/21/2005 1:34:26 PM PDT by Holicheese (Timmy like windmills!)
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To: Holicheese

I think the courtesy lamp has always been lit - and a small acknowledgement like = [/s] is preferable.

So .. you were being rude by assuming everybody in the world already knew what you were thinking and of course it was sarcasm .. get real!!


166 posted on 06/21/2005 1:51:46 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Reactionary
Liberals at CBS tried that argument with the forged military document debacle. "It has to be true since the Pentagon didn't deny it" was something they were quite fond of repeating over and over again.

This is a completely different situation. The Rather documents were old and nobody in the Pentagon could be sure whether or not they were real, so the government couldn't deny it because they couldn't be sure.

The DSM is less than three years old and lists specific people supposed to be saying specific things. All the British government would have to do is ask them, "Did you say such and such on such and such day?" If they didn't, then it's a fake and the Brits would have said so. The fact that they haven't denied it means they know those things were said.

167 posted on 06/21/2005 2:01:03 PM PDT by jtullins
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To: CyberAnt

Take a little pill tough guy.
Michael Smith is on every sports talk show in the US. Its rather obvious that he is not sending classified British documents to John Kerry.
If you can't figure that out maybe its your own fault.


168 posted on 06/21/2005 2:02:11 PM PDT by Holicheese (Timmy like windmills!)
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To: Holicheese

Well .. thanks for your macho - tough guy approach.

How are you so sure I watch the sports shows - maybe I don't - but of course you are toooooooo macho to know that.


169 posted on 06/21/2005 2:08:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Doctor Raoul

According to Wizbang, here are PDF's of the released memos.

http://www.boozle.net/leak/

None of these memos match the one pictured---that is, the text is not the same. Not sure what to make of it.


170 posted on 06/21/2005 2:57:07 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: jtullins
If somebody just made it up, they would've officially denied it by now, instead of just saying no comment.

Really? I seem to remember that the White House just ignored the 60 Minutes piece until Dan and CBS News were a crispy brown on the outside.

Somewhere there's a quote about not getting in the way when your enemy is committing suicide.

171 posted on 06/21/2005 5:59:47 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
On this score the Reuters story is unclear. Reuters at least owes their readers an explanation.

Concur. I wonder in the photographer has an email address?

172 posted on 06/21/2005 6:02:08 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: ravingnutter
What are you saying? Killian? The memo was fake...

Ok...from my research I have found that most think that Michael Smith of Rathergate and this Michael Smith are two separate guys. But the coincidences are getting weirder...check this out: You'd think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ''CYA'' memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times' owner) until the 1980s.

173 posted on 06/22/2005 3:02:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: GOPJ
Yes, I know the Killian the memo was fake, as is the Downing Street Memo, that snippet was something I pulled out of an article on a website. I was commenting on the coincidences in the two. In both cases:

1) There was a journalist named Michael Smith involved.

2) The memo was copied, retyped and the original burned.

In Killian, the memo was retyped on a computer rather than an old typewriter (that is how they got caught). In DSM, the memo was typed on a old typewriter rather than a computer. The Killian memo was written in a font specifically designed for the London Times. The London Times reported the DSM story.

Not to mention the fact that the Yellowcake memo (also forged) story was bumped by CBS for the Killian memo story (per my post #163). The perp in the Yellowcake memo was revealed by the London Times and CBS flew him to NY to interview him. Joe Wilson was involved in Yellowcake and is now involved in the DSM story.

It's just plain weird.

174 posted on 06/23/2005 6:13:04 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Reactionary

Except Smith couldn't stick to his story.
He chickened out.


175 posted on 06/24/2005 9:12:28 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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