Posted on 06/19/2005 10:14:36 PM PDT by stlnative
Note, Trappenberg {whom I have a crush on} now admits numerous missing persons on the island.
Well, I think Jossy Mansur is more credible than any friend of Steve Croes. Of course, all his party-boy buddies are going to swear to it that Croes cannot operate a boat.
Doesn't Jossy Mansur have a bad history or am I confusing him with another Mansur?
Joran had a curfew and Daddy brought him home, but he called one of the two boys and asked them to pick him up and go with him to CandC's. Thus, that is how he got there. He snuck out. Also I read one of the other boys snuck out, also having a curfew.
You have to go back through this thread, but it was late last night.
I kept saying, "but....but... tell us how he GOT to C&C's!"
LOL!
Thanks for the pics. However I still would not assume that it was a taxi unless it had a taxi sign on the vehicle. I don't think that anyone would.
Has anyone heard that Deepak or any family member works for a taxi company? Or has a magnetic taxi vehicle sign been taken in for evidence by LE?
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm
Mansur has been ided in other places as corrupt, our dear Jossy I do believe.
no...
I think TexKat said some of the girls said Natalee got into a Taxi, that is why I am showing TexKat, Deepaks car. You all need to remember that eyewitnesses get things wrong very easily. There may have been a Taxi by Deepak's car and maybe Natalie was standing between Deepaks car and a Taxi.
We all know that Natalee did not get into a Taxi. The boys admit that she got into Deepak's car with all 3 of them.
The Taxi story is due to poor eyewitness reports.
First of all, I'm an American. But I'm trying to understand this from the Aruban POV. That being that Aruba already has a Big Brother & that is Holland. That the Arubans & the Dutch in Aruba have a better understanding of Aruba, Aruban/ Dutch law, topography, geography, customs & languages than the American FBI does. That the FBI was allowed on Aruban soil and, so far as I know, has not been expelled. That the Arubans are capable of contacting the FBI is they want the help but that heavy-handed tactics are going to be met with resentment & resistance.
So far as 'if it were my daughter', all of the above still applies. And, of course, the knowledge that travelling to a foreign country is an assumption of risk and done in full knowledge that you have left the legal jurisdiction of American LE territory.
As far as the FBI and the extension of LE courtesies (which I don't doubt), I'll remind you that the Boulder PD shut the FBI out of the Jon Benet Ramsey investigation (for the most part).
If he took any boat out it would have been the water taxi, IMHO.
There are pics of the pier and the water taxi here.
http://tattoopartycruises.com/pages/photoalbum.html
See also Palladin's post #1331,
"Mansur, editor of Diario, said on FOX-TV that Steve Croese is "an able seaman", which means he knows how to skipper a boat like the Tattoo. He probably did fill in for the Captain on occasion."
The facts as submitted by the authorsThe facts as submitted by the authors
2.1 The authors are members of the business community in Aruba. Among other enterprises Luis Emilio Mansur is co-owner of a shipping company and Jossy Mehren Mansur is owner and editor-in-chief of a newspaper and co-owner of a trading company.
2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.
2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.
2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.
I do believe Jossy was prosecuted in Puerto Rico but will go look.
Thanks CM. DJ -- see post #1364.
FWIW, I am somewhat gratified to learn that the Dutch rules permit interrogations of suspects from 8:00AM - 10:00PM without the presence of lawyers.
I don't think so. He seems to be a pretty affable guy.
He also has a lot of inside information, as would any editor of a small-town newspaper. Greta doesn't mind hanging out with him--and she's afraid to go into Carlos&Charlie's. ;)
I'm thinking someone needs to extract information from Paulus.
That we the public are aware of.
I once assumed a car was a taxi at an airport, it was big and white and had a man standing there opening the door for me. I was in my late age, about two or so years ago, have traveled all over but it was late, I was tired and just got off a plane and just got right in.
Dont assume people don't have lapses and this was a young woman in "paradise".
Sorry, I didn't explain my thinking here ...
Forty or so MB kids are waiting for taxis outside C&C's. Perhaps JvdS whispers to Natalee he has a taxi/ride waiting. He'll see her back to her hotel. Instead of waiting, she hops in ...
See my posts and google him,,he is an affable criminal.
???The same guy as the editor???
I have no idea, but it seems to me if he had been prosecuted for anything serious and convicted in 1995, he'd still be in prion, and would not be escorting Greta Von Susteren around Aruba.
I have no problem with the lack of press releases by police or prosecutors which in our country is usually meaningless, if you remember the non-informative, usually inaccurate, hyped up showboating by so many of our LE's, i.e. Police Chief Moose. If the result in Aruba is finding the truth and a successful prosection of the guilty. So be it. I marvel that the Arubans are able to question the accused suspects 11-14 hours a day for over 4 months w/o Miranda warnings while denying the suspects legal beagles. Maybe if we had a little of this kind of questioning we might have less crime and more convictions in the US.
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