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Born gay? How biology may drive orientation
Seattle Times ^ | 6/19/05 | Sandi Doughton

Posted on 06/19/2005 8:47:14 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: scripter

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41 posted on 06/19/2005 10:02:44 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: kstewskis

These animals consistently ignore females and bestow all their amorous attentions on members of their own sex.


Really...so how do they reproduce?

Do you think it might be possible that animals don't understand the concept of Male and Female and will try and rut whenever the feeling hits them?


42 posted on 06/19/2005 10:05:10 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: Crackingham

So homosexuality is a birth defect, or a defect caused while in the womb, I just might buy off on that one.


43 posted on 06/19/2005 10:07:26 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Crackingham

There are some aspects of biology that pertain to this question.

1. The default development for the embryo and fetus is female. No testosterone, or an inability to respond to testosterone, the child will develop as female. That means female external genital structure and a female pattern of brain development. It does not matter, if the child is XX or XY, the child will develop as female.

2. Furthermore, the presence of anti-mullerian hormone (AMH)is necessary for the internal sexual organs to develop in a male pattern. If there is no AMH, the child may be XY, but will have a uterus and fallopian tubes. However, in the case of the XY child, with gonadal agenesis, there will be no testes or ovaries.

A good example of the condition, where the embryo and fetus are not able to respond to testosterone is androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS). The child has female external genitalia, a blind vagina and no uterus. The adult phenotype is taller than average, slender, attractive woman. These girls grow up identifying as girls, but they are XY.

The medical ethics pertaining to this condition is to accept the patient as they are (female), and give them supportive treatment. Usually, the indication is to remove the gonads, because there is an increased risk of cancer. Since, they do not respond to testosterone, there is a runawy stimulation of the gonads by pitutary hormones.


44 posted on 06/19/2005 10:13:13 PM PDT by punster
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To: JohnD9207
Really...so how do they reproduce?

Maybe they recruit a lesbian sheep to bear their young?

It's late.

Forgive me.

I know.

That was baaaaaaad.

45 posted on 06/19/2005 10:23:43 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: vpintheak

yes exactly. Why would gay people want to prove they were born that way? Wouldn't that just make them freaks and mutants? Their right to marry goes out the window if theyre not genetically gay, and they can't have that.


46 posted on 06/19/2005 11:20:55 PM PDT by JennMack
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To: denydenydeny

To increase or decrease?


47 posted on 06/20/2005 12:17:24 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: JennMack

"Wouldn't that just make them freaks and mutants?"

and they are not?


48 posted on 06/20/2005 12:19:44 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: Crackingham

What does a gay baby look like?


49 posted on 06/20/2005 12:20:40 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: Crackingham
Pure bullshit! There is no such thing as a queer gene. Most of the articles written about how you can be born queer are written by queers. This idea has about as much proof as evolution, even less. At least evolution has some monkey bones.

Gee, I feel better already.

50 posted on 06/20/2005 12:27:40 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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51 posted on 06/20/2005 12:42:07 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Crackingham

I haven't seen definitive scientific evidence that this is true. In all biology everything tries to procreate, even lesser organisms that are both sexes reproduces itself, else any living organism that can not reproduce itself in some biotic way would go against nature since it harbors a 'Fatal Gene'. If the homosexual community wants to believe they are born that way then they should also accept that it's a birth defect as it leads to their own extinction since they can not procreate. IMO, homosexuality is a 'behavior', a psychological malady, and an immoral one at that, nothing more.


52 posted on 06/20/2005 1:07:22 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Crackingham; umgud

Good point about the paedo bit -- dogs and cats practise incest, shoudl THAT be allowed???


53 posted on 06/20/2005 2:03:43 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Clemenza
Don't forget that in POLYGAMOUS societies (like Greece)....

The Greeks weren't polygamous. They were monogamous, both sexes.

54 posted on 06/20/2005 2:13:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kstewskis
The only "new news" in this article was the buried announcement of this: the conservative Christian organization Focus on the Family, is sponsoring a one-day conference in Bothell Saturday
55 posted on 06/20/2005 3:32:21 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: vpintheak

Even if assuming arguendo, there is an impulse in some (and I am not conceding it is genetic) to be attracted to the same sex, there is also an impulse to kill, steal, commit adultery, etc., in some. It doent make it right, and people need to control their impulses.

But that would require a moral code.


56 posted on 06/20/2005 4:16:25 AM PDT by Voir Dire (I'm seeing and saying.)
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