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An Autopsy Won't End It - (John Leo on the hypocrisy of Michael Schaivo and George Felos)
US NEWS.COM ^ | JUNE 27, 2005 | JOHN LEO

Posted on 06/19/2005 8:19:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: ClancyJ

The will to live is VERY STRONG. Our opponents foolishly and unwisely IGNORE that reality.


61 posted on 06/20/2005 12:06:30 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: TAdams8591

I agree


62 posted on 06/20/2005 12:07:30 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: Bushbacker

Me too, I just cannot see conservatism in wanting the state to kill non-dying citizens.

And, usually conservatives look at precedents being set.

I would never have thought we would be arguing that a man with two wives still had the right of life and death decisions over the first one.

I would never have thought there would be such anger over the stance of many to allow parents to take on a daughter scheduled for death and care for her rather than kill her.

All the while claiming that they did not want the tubes pulled.


63 posted on 06/20/2005 12:12:55 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: KDD; robertpaulsen

Something else for those so eager to judge the value of others' lives.

Have you ever visited a nursing home and talked to those little people? Sure many are pitiful - but just look at the gentleness, the sweet eyes, and those little gnarled hands. They are precious people who have lived their years of contribution to this world and are winding down.

They have lost a lot - they have lost the meaness, the competitiveness, the drives that made them do good or evil. They are again like children with gentle spirits.

The innocence you see in the eyes of children, you will see in the eyes of the elderly, the deformed, the PVS, the severely handicapped. Each has faced hardships and come through it better people.

God does not consider these lives of no value. These lives paint a picture and what you see when looking at that picture is the beauty of humbleness, innocence, hardships endured, life lived.

And God expects them to be treated with loving kindness and care not death-dealing manipulating staff and relatives calculating how to kill them.


64 posted on 06/20/2005 12:27:28 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: TAdams8591
Our opponents foolishly and unwisely IGNORE that reality.

Just because they are foolish and unwise (stupid/ignorant) does not mean we allow them to destroy the constitutional rights of all.

65 posted on 06/20/2005 12:35:09 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: ClancyJ
Wholehartedly agreed.

Or turn the United States into Germany circa WWII. NOT here, NOT ever.

66 posted on 06/20/2005 12:43:53 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: ClancyJ

I would never have thought we would be arguing that a man with two wives still had the right of life and death decisions over the first one.

I would never have thought there would be such anger over the stance of many to allow parents to take on a daughter scheduled for death and care for her rather than kill her.

___Nor I. It has made me re-evaluate some of the people I used to think were "conservatives."

Id the Schindlers were willing to care for Terri, why not allow them
to do so, in the absense of her confirmable clear intent to be allowed to die?

Why not err on the side of life rather than death?









67 posted on 06/20/2005 12:46:34 AM PDT by Bushbacker (f)
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To: Checkers
How Terri's death affects us all even now.

The Crossing of the Rubicon

68 posted on 06/20/2005 12:46:56 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: KDD

"but after ten years in a persistent vegetative state that has robbed her of most of her cerebrum and all but the most instinctive of neurological functions"

Based on the autopsy. So for all in this state, we should perform an autopsy and then determine if they should live?

The problem here has nothing to do with medical facts but everything to do with the husband. Decisions to "remove tubes" occur daily in this country with no living wills but with the support of the whole family.


70 posted on 06/20/2005 4:52:05 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: CHARLITE

I want to see Mark Furman's take on the case.


71 posted on 06/20/2005 4:57:46 AM PDT by sport
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To: Checkers
Everybody knows what you're saying.

Thanks for the feedback.

From the response to my observation that

"All three "no tubes for Terri" testifiers had the last name "Schiavo""

I thought some people might have missed my point.

72 posted on 06/20/2005 5:07:21 AM PDT by syriacus (1st Michael couldn't stand to live without Terri. Then he couldn't stand to live with her.)
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To: ClancyJ
So, your younger view of what you would want when you are 80 has no correlation to what you will actually want at 80 as it denies the fact that man has an ability to adapt to his circumstances same as the animal kingdom does.

Wise words.

73 posted on 06/20/2005 5:14:21 AM PDT by syriacus (1st Michael couldn't stand to live without Terri. Then he couldn't stand to live with her.)
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To: Bushbacker
Basically unconfirmable testimony.

The ability to reject inconvenient facts explains a lot about the OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson juries.

74 posted on 06/20/2005 5:23:35 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Bushbacker
"I regard this as a test case for true conservative values."

A true conservative looks at the facts and makes a determination. A true conservative ignores the gossip and innuendo, the petty name-calling and character assassinations, the conspiracy theories and emotion-based statements.

A true conservative honors the rule of law. A true conservative does not go looking for judicial activists to overturn existing law, but instead works within the system to generate the support of the people.

The posters on this forum who spoke out against Terri's wishes acted like liberals, not conservatives. The factless, incorrect, misleading, and emotion-laden rhetoric on the Terri threads looked more like DU than FR.

An embarrassing and dark moment for this forum, no doubt.

75 posted on 06/20/2005 5:27:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: TAdams8591
Both were discredited. Under cross examination, her mother admitted she was wrong about the date.

Why belabor the point?

76 posted on 06/20/2005 5:30:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: CHARLITE
The autopsy confirms the extraordinary damage to Schiavo and discredits those who tried to depict the husband as a wife-beater.
77 posted on 06/20/2005 5:34:41 AM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is a POS)
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To: syriacus
"Well, we know one thing for certain. Greer didn't bother to meet with Terri, to determine how she felt about being starved and dehydrated."

THAT'S your evidence that Terri changed her mind? Are you ill?

78 posted on 06/20/2005 5:35:46 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: CHARLITE
Didion, on the other hand, cut through all the rhetoric about imposing views and said the struggle to spare Schiavo's life was "essentially a civil rights intervention." This is a phrase of great clarity, particularly since Democrats have a long track record of protecting civil rights and Republicans don't.

This jumped out at me - Democrats have a long record of inventing civil rights and repressing those they claim to be helping. This whole article is prefaced with a partisan lie.

79 posted on 06/20/2005 5:36:37 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: syriacus

Yep. Can you answer it?


80 posted on 06/20/2005 5:37:11 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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