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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: TAdams8591
Bob, after the courts handling of Terri's case, I find it difficult to believe.

That was a major screw-up that can be corrected. A $1 Billion doller lawsuit against the state for wrongful death is winnable. This lawyer I know make a few million a year.

281 posted on 06/20/2005 12:39:35 PM PDT by BobS
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To: Chena
"I was in a mood"

Well, in that case, we can overlook that comment, LOL!

282 posted on 06/20/2005 12:39:35 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: EllaMinnow

Do you really want the state to initiate the death of a non-dying woman?

Do you really want a sick person to be judged as to whether or not they still are entitled to their constitutional rights as an American citizen?

Do you really want to allow SOME to write criteria that tells you when your relative cannot be considered worthy of life - as they are classed as a non-person in a state not worthy of constitutional rights, life, or further care?


283 posted on 06/20/2005 12:41:45 PM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: Saundra Duffy

"So according to you Terri was not swallowing her own saliva."

Not according to me, according to those who are experts in the field including the coroner who examined the body.

How would you interpret the findings on pg 34 number 3 of the autopsy, including the references to historic medical records indicating she couldn't consume sustenance safely?


284 posted on 06/20/2005 12:43:36 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: DJ MacWoW
WOW, you've got an excellent memory! LOL!

Funny how rarely Dr. Cheshire is mentioned, particularly by our friends on the otherside.

285 posted on 06/20/2005 12:43:40 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: Smartaleck

Since Terri didn't drool, I'm wondering what the heck she did with all that saliva.


286 posted on 06/20/2005 12:45:25 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: TAdams8591

"Well, in that case, we can overlook that comment, LOL!"

Thanks for your understanding. Guess I went looking for my "inner child" and found it. LOL


287 posted on 06/20/2005 12:45:54 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: Chena

Why did that word always send us into fits of laughter as children?


288 posted on 06/20/2005 12:48:57 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; Trinity_Tx

Frist relied, at least in part, on the "balloon video."

The Daily Show ran a tape of Frist on the Senate floor stating that he saw the video and as a doctor it was his opinion that she was NOT in a PVS.

Then they ran a tape of Frist after the autopsy report came out, the next day. Apparently Frist didn't know the
c-span cam was running when he stated "I never said she wasn't in a PVS.

Most embarrassing I thought.


289 posted on 06/20/2005 12:50:49 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Peach

So, if at one time the Schlinders' loved Michael as a son-in-law of their daughter - they never can change their minds when, after receiving the settlement, Michael suddenly remembers their daughter advised she never wanted to live with "tubes".

Since they made the earlier statement of support - they are not allowed to realize that Michael is trying to kill the daughter they love. They must support him in his efforts or just fade away and give him free reign to kill?

Not in any families I know. No man is going to have free reign to kill my son or daughter based on a suddenly remembered casual statement only remembered once he received funds to pay for her lifetime care.

Most people would find that a little troubling. Most parents would think - the heck he is is. That is my daughter and I will not allow him to just decide to kill her.

However, your family may be different.

I wonder why there is such a need to kill an unwanted spouse here. Or, is this a case to set the precedent to allow for the "killing" of a spouse with hearsay evidence only?


290 posted on 06/20/2005 12:52:34 PM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: ClancyJ
Do you really want the state to initiate the death of a non-dying woman?

The state did no such thing. The state failed to prevent her lawful guardian from initiating her death, which is a very different thing.

You might not like what her husband did, but what he did was entirely proper under Florida law.

Hyperbole doesn't help here.

291 posted on 06/20/2005 12:53:46 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TAdams8591

The *coroner* is an objective party.


292 posted on 06/20/2005 12:55:06 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TAdams8591

I don't know why we found that term so funny, but perhaps it was just another part of that "potty talk" phase? I still remember laughing myself silly with my grandmother (from Tennessee). She always referred to "farts" as "toots". She'd say, "who tooted"? Ah, God bless her, she was a dear woman.


293 posted on 06/20/2005 12:56:39 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: highball
The state did no such thing. The state failed to prevent her lawful guardian from initiating her death, which is a very different thing.

Felos announced to the press that the state had ordered the tube removed and MS couldn't stop it if he wanted to. There was a lot of chatter here on FR after that statement.

294 posted on 06/20/2005 12:57:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: highball
Well you have a point about Jeb's words not matching his deeds in this case.

I will give you that.

I just don't know if I would call that grandstanding. I mean in the sense that he is pleasing his base and I don't think he has sinister motivations for getting involved in this case. I feel that is what our elected Reps are supposed to do when a case takes on a life like this one has.

And perhaps I am being idealistic when I hope that this investigation does go somewhere- however, you are right there as well, it doesn't seem like it is going anywhere.

YOu and I may disagree here, I think the reasons for that are because of the pressure put out by people on Greer's side.

I keep talking about the power of the citizens to put pressure upon their reps to make their voices heard.

And I realize that the worm turns both ways- If the majority of citizens in this country really want A county judge to have the power that Greer wielded in this case, I will have to accept it.

(Of course that doesn't mean I will stop fighting that at this point.)

295 posted on 06/20/2005 12:57:43 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: EllaMinnow
Thanks for the links. It's good (I guess) to read over all that again.

So then if Michael was stripped of part of his guardianship why would his testimony carry such an enormous amount of weight and that of his blood relatives?

Unless all the court was looking at was his potential inheritance of the estate?

Do you know if there was ever even a hint that the court considered Michael's new family involvement to be a potential detriment to his ability to make adequate decisions for Terri? That just seems like psych 101 to me.

296 posted on 06/20/2005 12:58:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: highball

The "coroner" did not examine Terri while she was alive, and cannot use his finding to "diagnose" her.


297 posted on 06/20/2005 12:58:25 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: Smartaleck

Very.


298 posted on 06/20/2005 12:58:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: highball

What if this is just Step One that is being launched?

I would expect that Jeb discovered a great deal about the laws of Florida, the power lobbyists' activities, the ties of the individuals involved. I would expect he found that there was absolutely nothing, without overstepping the bounds of his office, that he could do to save Terri.

But, he found enough to make him follow-up with the investigation. If nothing else, it is pure fairness to the Schlinders who have been treated horribly through this whole mess. Why are they not allowed to have the facts of their daughter's injuries investigated?

I am not writing Jeb off and I do not believe that Jeb is a grandstander - especially not on Terri's back.

You should never write off George Bush and I feel the same applies to Jeb.


299 posted on 06/20/2005 12:59:16 PM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: Chena
"toots"

That is funny and cute, and sounds far nicer! It sounds like you had a lot of fun with your grandmother!

300 posted on 06/20/2005 1:00:44 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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