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1 posted on 06/19/2005 6:20:40 AM PDT by SJackson
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-- Since the start of the “Oslo” peace process in 1993, Israel has relinquished large swaths of its biblical heartland and transferred control over the lives of some 98 percent of Palestinian Arabs to the PLO-controlled Palestinian Authority.

During that same time, the PA has categorically failed to fulfill its primary obligation – repeated in every subsequent agreement – to disarm and dismantle the anti-Jewish “Palestinian” terrorist infrastructure. --

R-E-P-E-A-T-E-D F-A-I-L-U-R-E

And it's going to succeed this time because???

If this brilliant woman doesn't get it, if left siding Israelis who have lived through 1993 don't get it, what chance do we stand?


2 posted on 06/19/2005 6:26:36 AM PDT by timsbella
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3 posted on 06/19/2005 6:28:26 AM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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Condi Rice is less to blame than Ariel Sharon.

Ariel Sharon stabbed his constituents in the back.

He said he wouldn't, but then he did.

He said that he would allow a referendum first, then he didn't.

Ariel Sharon is a traitor, but he is the leader of Israel. What is Condi Rice supposed to do?


4 posted on 06/19/2005 6:37:17 AM PDT by TSchmereL (Ariel Sharon must go now.)
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hopefully this is the plan--give up something Big,which in the scheme of things is not important amd most israelis DO NOT care about,knowing the infintile idiots(palestinians) won't stop terror so in a blink of an eye the IDF can regain control of what they want (a buffer zone) and maybe more of the west bank--and it would be in a blink of an eye,hezzbolah will attack from syria and in another blink the Us and israel would take syria and hezzbolah out and if IRAN raises a hand the US will fry them--all over in a day or so--anyway my dream


8 posted on 06/19/2005 6:56:08 AM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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I bet she's gluing the wings to pigs right now.


10 posted on 06/19/2005 7:23:36 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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Yeah, sure appeasement always works. The American bird is not an eagle, it's a chicken. Bush has taken over the funding and support of terrorist instead of working to end it.


13 posted on 06/19/2005 7:34:02 AM PDT by lobo59
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A successful disengagement will enhance the security of Israel, and it should give a sense of confidence and trust between the Israelis and Palestinians as they look to a better future,” the statement read.

This woman is clueless. It is not about land, or peace or Palestinians and Jews . It is about Muslims and Infidels.

There will never be any peace, unless the Muslims give up their religion and turn their back on God (Allah) to get along with the infidels. That is not going to happen. - Tom

15 posted on 06/19/2005 7:40:29 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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I like Ms Rice yet why would the PLO go for anything but time when each administration gives em more and more and more.........time is on the PLO side in this game IMO.


18 posted on 06/19/2005 9:09:31 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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That's it. I'm convinced that these idiots have no idea what they're doing at all. I had been a big fan of Rice since I read some of her analyses of the Soviet Union back in the 1980's, but if she's too damn thick to grasp that the Hamas and the rest of the PA just want to destroy Israel and as well to kill as many Jews as they can, then she has NO BUSINESS BEING SECRETARY OF STATE!!!

Someone tell me just how what these twits are doing is any better than what Kerry would have done? Kerry was anti-Israel and pro-Arab. Bush's policies have become a death warrant for Israel. HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF THE TRAITOR PARTY HAD WON? In either case, we're still screwing over the ONLY democratic government and real ally we have in that warped part of the world!!!

19 posted on 06/19/2005 9:19:14 AM PDT by Bombardier (Ex-Republican, now registered Constitution Party.)
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This entire withdrawal folly was sold in Israel on the proposition that the US made certain tradeoffs with Israel. That Bush had promised American support for Israel's position on keeping parts of the West Bank and laughing off the absurd "Right of Return" demands.

Just minutes ago on CNN, Rice reiterated that no such promises to Israel were really made.

You can see the future by seeing the present.

While Rice presents the "Palestinians" and their peaceful intentions, mortars fall on Israeli cities and now

Gunmen kill IDF soldier, wound 2 in Gaza attack

In the first term there was some hope that the US was breaking its modus of 50 plus years and perpetual war. The policy of allowing Israel to fight back occasionally but never win anything substantial and permanent.

Instead, in this second term, "Israel's best friend ever" is engaged in a seriously anti-Israel mode which will lead to more and more violence and a severely weakened Israel.

American policy in the MidEast is very strange. It supports Israel while simultaneously always giving the Arabs hope of the ultimate victory of Israel's destruction.

The Arabs never lose. They are never punished. They can try to destroy Israel over and over and over. When they fail, things go back to square one- or worst from Israel's point of view.

20 posted on 06/19/2005 9:40:49 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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""""She also again assured Israel it had no support from the Bush Administration to unilaterally annex large Jewish settlement blocs in Judea and Samaria, including Jewish neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem.

Any such permanent changes to the pre-1967 borders would have to win the consent of the PLO, Rice said.."""":


This is a CHANGE in Bush administration Policy If I read it correctly...a subtle but Unfortunate one. it's not an airtight statement tho.

Resolution 242 DOES Call for New "Secure and Recognized" Borders and New Negotiated ones.. but has always envisioned Israel making that adjustment to the 1967 Borders to make those New Borders secure for ITSELF.

abu



48 posted on 06/19/2005 12:04:13 PM PDT by abu afak (abuafak@yahoo.ie)
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The Settlement Myth
By Jeff Jacoby
May 31, 2001
Boston Globe

The Palestinians, you may have noticed, have changed their tune. When the current orgy of violence against Israelis began last fall, the explanation out of Gaza City - faithfully echoed by most of the Western media - was that it was all Ariel Sharon's fault. His visit to the Temple Mount on Sept. 28, it was said, outraged and infuriated Palestinians. That, apparently, was why many took to hurling rocks, firing guns, demolishing Jewish shrines, lynching Israeli drivers, and bombing children taking the bus to school.
There were always a few problems with this explanation, such as the fact that the violence began before Sharon's visit.
But it is especially untenable now: Even Palestinians admit it isn't true..."

"...So the party line has been updated. The real cause of the violence, Palestinians now claim, is the growth of Israeli communities in Gaza and the West Bank..."

[...]

...It hasn't taken long for the Palestinian line - Jewish settlements justify Arab violence - to become conventional wisdom..."

Nonsense.

Eight months ago, Israel offered not only to freeze its settlements but to dismantle most of them and pull out of 98 percent of the territories altogether. Ehud Barak laid on the negotiating table nearly everything the Palestinians had demanded: all of Gaza and the West Bank, a sovereign state, power-sharing in Jerusalem, control of the Temple Mount. Arafat responded by kicking the table over and starting a war.

In short, Palestinian violence did not explode because Israel refused to give up the settlements but because it agreed to do so.

The Arab rocks, bullets, Molotov cocktails, and suicide bombs of the past eight months are no different from the Arab rocks, bullets, Molotov cocktails, and suicide bombs of the past eight years - the years of the Oslo "peace" process. The more Israel has agreed to give, the more enraged and uncompromising the Palestinian reaction has been.
A paradox? Only to those who have never mastered Appeasement 101: Give a dictator the sacrifice he demands and you inflame his appetite for more.

To insist that Israel "stop those settlements" in exchange for an end to Arab violence is to insist that Oslo be upended.

The Israeli-Palestinian accords have never barred Israel from building or expanding settlements in the territories; the ultimate fate of those communities has always been one of the "permanent status" issues to be decided at the end of the process.
By contrast, the starting point of the peace process - the foundation on which it was built - was that Palestinian violence had ended. "The PLO commits itself ... to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides," reads the document that Arafat signed on Sept. 9, 1993, "and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.... The PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence."

That was the promise that earned Arafat his invitation to the White House, his handshake from Yitzhak Rabin, his Nobel peace prize. That was the promise in exchange for which Israel gave Arafat land and power, money and weapons, diplomatic recognition and the status of a peace partner. The Palestinians did not retain the right to resort to rocks and bullets and bombs whenever they find it useful. They did not promise to end the violence only if Israel agreed to their every demand. They promised to end the violence for good.

If that promise was a lie, the entire peace process is a lie..."

http://www.israelinsider.com/views/articles/views_0056.htm


53 posted on 06/19/2005 12:33:20 PM PDT by abu afak (abuafak@yahoo.ie)
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Wow Condi, and the Mexicans don't accept our borders in the southwest either. When are you going to support the withdrawal from that "occupied territory"?


56 posted on 06/19/2005 12:57:23 PM PDT by Nachum
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