Iraqis Found in Torture House Tell of Brutality of Insurgents

The New York Times ^ | June 19, 2005 | Sabrina Tavernise

[MikeNJ]

KARABILA, Iraq, Sunday, June 19 - Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in this small rural village to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual - and four beaten and shackled Iraqis. The American military has found torture houses after invading towns heavily populated by insurgents - like Falluja, where the anti-insurgent assault last fall uncovered almost 20 such sites. But rarely have they come across victims who have lived to tell the tale. The men said they told the marines, from Company K, Third Marines, Second Division, that they had been tortured with shocks and flogged with a strip of rubber for more than two weeks, unseen behind the windows of black glass. One of them, Ahmed Isa Fathil, 19, a former member of the new Iraqi Army, said he had been held and tortured there for 22 days. All the while, he said, his face was almost entirely taped over and his hands were cuffed. In an interview with an embedded reporter just hours after he was freed, he said he had never seen the faces of his captors, who occasionally whispered at him, "We will kill you." He said they did not question him, and he did not know what they wanted. Nor did he ever expect to be released.

[MikeNJ]

Just like Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, right? Sen. Durbin and all the other apologists and protectors of our enemies should be forced to read this, not that it would do any good with these useful idiots.

[HereInTheHeartland]

"Insurgents"

Why are they allowed a free pass on using this name (the press)?

It makes them sound like nice Berkeley type commie protesters.

[The Phantom FReeper]

How did this article make it into the New York Times? Someone there has definitely been slacking on the job. The insurgents are noble "freedom fighters," bravely resisting the evil American occupation, remember?

[RedlegCPT]

Sen. Durbin would probably want to make sure the insurgents/terrorists had reliable transportation to evade capture. You know, to even out the playing field now that we have Strykers.

Someone needs to tell the ny times that "Marines" is capatalized.

[RaceBannon]

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1007487#post1007487

I just cant stand what the libs are saying here....

[ProudVet77]

How did this article make it into the New York Times?

The left wingers are out in the Hamptons squatting on Indian land.

[Larry Lucido]

Hmm, let me guess what your screen name is over there. :-)

[AntiGuv]

Mainly because more accurate names for them (whether "criminals" or "guerrillas") are politically incorrect to one side or the other. Actually, iirc we're supposed to call them "bitter-enders" but that doesn't make for good newscopy, much less graceful language.

[mathluv]

My thoughts, exactly! And the embed was from CNN! Will wonders never cease!!!

[Vinnie]

Third Marines, Second Division, that they had been tortured with shocks and flogged with a strip of rubber for more than two weeks, unseen behind the windows of black glass.

But the worst torture was panties on his head and the air conditioner turned too low.

[StoneGiant]

Note the terminology... these are "insurgents", not "terrorists"...

Perhaps we should pull out now?

[RaceBannon]

was it too obvious?

[Quinotto]

The manual recovered - a fat, well-thumbed Arabic paperback - listed itself as the 2005 First Edition of "The Principles of Jihadist Philosophy," by Abdel Rahman al-Ali. Its chapters included "How to Select the Best Hostage," and "The Legitimacy of Cutting the Infidels' Heads."

Soon to be #1 on New York Times Best Book List.

[niteowl77]

Does Dick Durbin think these methods are reminiscent of Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot? Can we look for Hillary Clinton to demand a congressional investigation into this torture house? Will other Senators demand that the terrorists' facilities in Iraq be closed down? Might Newsweek fabricate - and then retract - a story about jihad manuals plugging toilets?

Tune in tomorrow and find out, on the next suspenseful episode of The Democratic Party/MSM Theatre of the Air...

... where you still won't hear a damned thing unless it puts the U.S. in a bad light.

[anniegetyourgun]

Though they can't handle the truth, it's good of you to attempt to set the record straight.

[Jim Noble]

Sen. Durbin and all the other apologists and protectors of our enemies should be forced to read this, not that it would do any good with these useful idiots.

It will do no good for those defeatists to read this.

Hopefully, President Bush, Secretary Rice, and Secretary Rumsfeld will read it and begin to ascertain the actual nature of the people on whom they rely to advance their fantasy of civililzation in one generation.

[Americanexpat]

These are some lucky guys. I hope enough good media outlets will get the word out. I kinda doubt it, not too many reported the treatment of the Romanian, Australian and French hostages when they said they were blindfolded, tied up and abused for weeks.

[anniegetyourgun]

Reality is so difficult for the MSM. So hard, in fact, that I suspect the NYT will have to return to Gitmo and Abu Ghraib as front page news tomorrow.

[roaddog727]

Sen. Durbin should experience both forms of "torture".

That which is "inflicted upon the captives in GITMO/ Abu G" by us........ and then that which is inflicted upon captives such as described here. Perhaps then he can make a more informed statement and gain a deeper understanding of what constitutes torture, and that which merely constitutes interrogation.

[csvset]

Senator Durbin, Ahmed Isa Fathil for you on line 1.