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Minutemen joining volatile border mix in Texas
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 19, 2005 | EDWARD HEGSTROM

Posted on 06/19/2005 1:14:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The leader of a controversial Arizona civilian border patrol will be in Goliad on Monday to finalize plans for an upcoming patrol in South Texas.

Minuteman Civil Defense Corps leader Chris Simcox says it is "pure coincidence" that his meeting with ranchers and landowners will take place in Goliad, a town that, along with the Alamo, resonates as a reminder of the historic conflict between Texas and Mexico.

Simcox said he expects about 100 ranchers and other landowners to attend the meeting in Goliad on Monday evening. Today, Simcox was scheduled to get a tour of area ranches.

"We're stepping right into the middle of a multibillion-dollar crime syndicate, and they're not happy about it," Simcox said.

However, he said the group will focus on stopping the flow of illegal immigrants across the border and will not attempt to stop the flow of drugs that has become the source of so much violence along the border recently.

"That's a whole 'nother world," Simcox said of the violent drug trade. "We leave that to the professionals."

Bill Parmley, a petroleum geologist and lifelong Goliad resident, said he invited Simcox out because he has become so concerned by the illegal immigrants in the area. Though Goliad sits about 200 miles from the border, it has been overrun by illegal immigrants passing through, he said.

"Our children cannot ride their bicycles," he said. "Women cannot go out in the evening."

Drug-related violence has become particularly acute in the Mexican border city of Nuevo Laredo, where the police chief was assassinated hours after taking office June 8. The escalating violence has led local officials on the U.S. side to call for help from Washington and Austin.

The Texas Border Sheriffs' Coalition issued a plea last month for federal help to stop the violence from crossing the border. Laredo Mayor Betty Flores also has called for help from both the state and federal governments.

"Laredo continues to have to protect its border on its own," Flores said. She criticized the federal Department of Homeland Security for failing to protect her city.

"Their intent was to make the border safer, but it's not safer," she said.

But Flores isn't inviting the Minutemen. "They're not welcome in Texas," she said.

She says the problem needs to be addressed by professional law enforcement, and she worries that outsiders will discriminate against people on the border, most of whom are Hispanic.

"It's hard for people from (Arizona) to understand how we feel about the issue," she said.

Webb County Sheriff Rick Flores, no relation to the mayor, said he supports the idea behind the Minutemen, but he discourages them from coming because he worries they might get hurt.

"I respect them and I applaud their efforts," the sheriff said. "I just think the problem is a lot worse than they think."

Sheriff Flores said it would be impossible for the civilians to differentiate between immigrant smugglers and drug smugglers because sometimes the same cartels are moving both people and drugs. He also doubts many U.S. landowners in the Laredo area would cooperate, because he says many of them have been intimidated by the smugglers.

"Anyone who tries to disrupt their business will have a fight on their hands," Sheriff Flores said of the cartels. "These people don't take prisoners."

Gov. Rick Perry also thinks patrolling the border is better left to professionals.

"The governor certainly understands and shares the concerns of the Minutemen," said spokesman Robert Black. "But this is not the solution."

Simcox and others led a monthlong patrol of a stretch of the border in Arizona last April. The effort led to the proposal to expand the effort to all four border states.

The Minutemen now plan to do patrols in California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas beginning Oct. 1. Another organization, the Texas Minutemen, also will have a presence on the border beginning Oct. 1, according to Shannon McGauley, who heads the group out of Arlington.

McGauley said his volunteers will patrol separate areas from those chosen by Simcox's forces.

Though not as famous as the Alamo, Goliad was the site where a group of Texan revolutionaries under James W. Fannin Jr. surrendered to the Mexican Army in March 1836, after being assured their lives would be spared. But more than 300 were later shot in what became known as the Goliad Massacre.

The next month, Gen. Sam Houston's troops got their revenge at the Battle of San Jacinto, where they went into the fighting shouting: "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!" Of the more than 600 Mexicans who were killed at San Jacinto, many were trying to flee or surrender.

edward.hegstrom@chron.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arizona; border; drugs; illegals; mexico; minutemen; nationalsecurity; texas
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To: Gritty

Yes.

I believe this will get everyone off the dime.


21 posted on 06/19/2005 7:06:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"The leader of a controversial Arizona civilian border patrol...." = ratspeak for real Americans they can't control.


22 posted on 06/19/2005 7:08:10 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: stopem
Gov. Rick Perry also thinks patrolling the border is better left to professionals.

Code words for letting Washington continue to do nothing concerning the ongoing invasion of America by Mexican citizens with the Mexican governments blessings and by many other nationalities.

"The governor certainly understands and shares the concerns of the Minutemen," said spokesman Robert Black. "But this is not the solution."

Another very good indication why Governor Rick "Do Nothing" Perry (-RINO) has earned his nickname in some sectors of Texas politics.

23 posted on 06/19/2005 7:39:16 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: DH
It's the "PROFESSIONALS" who are soley responsible for this invasion of illegal aliens.

They need to be reminded of this very often!

24 posted on 06/19/2005 8:33:20 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; YCTHouston; HOYA97; I_Publius; JesseJane; beeler; archy; Drammach; Woodstock; ...

Texas Minutemen Ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


25 posted on 06/19/2005 11:14:19 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Taxes- beyond your expectations!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Another organization, the Texas Minutemen, also will have a presence on the border beginning Oct. 1, according to Shannon McGauley, who heads the group out of Arlington. McGauley said his volunteers will patrol separate areas from those chosen by Simcox's forces.

I would expect to see more of this guy Shannon McGauley. He is persistantly popping up in Texas and have heard him on a few radio shows. He is from the DFW area and has a good grasp of the concept of border watch. I met him several times on the Arizona Project last April.

26 posted on 06/19/2005 1:34:36 PM PDT by TLI (. ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA,. .Minuteman Project, Day -1 to Day 8)
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It looks like the Civil Homeland Defense folks are going to have their work cut out for them in Texas...the Governor is against them, the border mayors are against them, and the Press is against them.

Ummm...actually, that is exactly the situation they faced in Arizona; and nobody got shot, there was no violence, and they practically shut down the flood of illegals sneaking into our country.

27 posted on 06/19/2005 2:21:42 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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To: hershey

I disagree. The National Guard takes orders from the people who take orders from the ones that want the borders open. Privatize. Minutemen!


28 posted on 06/19/2005 2:33:39 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
She says the problem needs to be addressed by professional law enforcement, and she worries that outsiders will discriminate against people on the border, most of whom are Hispanic.

Seeing a bunch of figures crossing the border and notifying the Border Patrol. That's discriminatory? What a wahzoo.

29 posted on 06/19/2005 2:34:53 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: SteveMcKing

"we have not endured the trials that forge iron wills. No Great Depression and no W.W. ii. Ironic they managed to raise such a soft generation (the boomers), who then raised the luridly lacking crop of animals called the gen-X'e"

Speak for yourself jerk there are still plenty of us alive and willing!


30 posted on 06/19/2005 2:42:12 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Anyone who tries to disrupt their business will have a fight on their hands," Sheriff Flores said of the cartels"

From what he spouts he must be on the take or spewing such filth as an advertisment for a cartel payoff and needs to be run out of office.


31 posted on 06/19/2005 2:44:28 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: backhoe
Thunder on the Border ping to you.

Minutemen joining volatile border mix in Texas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1425986/posts

32 posted on 06/19/2005 2:47:46 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I heard on Albuquerque news last night that Governor Perry has sent 100 state police officers to the border, to help with the drug war.

Governor Richardson has said he doesn't want the Minutemen in NM either. He's thinks it should be left to the professionals too. The problem is that he won't send them. His good buddy is Vicenti Fox. Richardson is a real jerk!

33 posted on 06/19/2005 4:35:28 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (I don*t know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future. His name is Jesus Christ....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So Gov Perry now thinks it best to leave it to the "professionals".

Perry seems to be backstepping from comments just a few weeks ago. His WIND METER must be blowing in another direction.

I wasn't there, but I've heard the orginal Minutemen were far from "PROFESSIONALS", but nonetheless did pretty good in respecting and defending American borders.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 4:48:04 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: CharlieChan

If Ma Strayhorn wants to win the governorship, all she needs to do is say that she would call out the Texas National Guard to defend our southern border. She would win hands down. Rick Perry could go back to raising cattle in Abilene.


35 posted on 06/19/2005 4:56:44 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

According to an article in Sunday's Dallas Morning News about the fight among Mexican drug cartels to control I-35 throughout Texas and beyond looks like the violence will continue escalate into many major US cities.....and for that we can thank all the scumbag politicians that pushed thru NAFTA, GATT, etc.


36 posted on 06/19/2005 5:02:20 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Meanwhile, where's President Bush?

He's busy drinking (non-alcoholic) margaritas with Vicente Fox, toasting to the new "North American Union" that Americans don't want.

37 posted on 06/19/2005 5:08:19 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: kittymyrib; HiJinx
It's hard for me to imagine the folks in Texas acting blind, deaf and dumb when the place is being overrun by invaders from around the globe.

I remember here in California when Prop 187 was up for a vote, two of the biggest anti-187 figures were prominent GOPr's--BILL BENNETT & JACK KEMP. The voters ignored the both of them and passed the freebie benefits ban for Illegals--

I don't think Texas CITIZENS will put up with the crap much longer.
I know Texans.
Some Texans are friends of mine.
I graduated from high school in a town called El Paso Del Norte,
later married a Texan.

38 posted on 06/19/2005 5:39:29 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: dalereed

"luridly lacking crop of animals called the gen-X'e"

Screw you too.


39 posted on 06/19/2005 5:59:13 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

they aren't wanted here :-|


40 posted on 06/19/2005 6:01:46 PM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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