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Mechanism behind intelligent design uncovered? - (says Darwin's theory "unworkable")
WORLD NET DAILY.COM ^ | JUNE 17, 2005 | DR. KELLY HOLLOWELL

Posted on 06/18/2005 7:04:07 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: skr
" More specifically, we're descendants of Noah's family, which included three spouses who weren't of his blood line."

Yes, but according to the bible we all share a common ancestor in Noah and he's not such a distant ancestor, maybe 200 generations or so. That doesn't allow for the racial diversification that we see around the world. Heck, it doesn't even allow for the history of ancient countries like Egypt or China.

81 posted on 06/19/2005 9:40:03 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: TheGeezer
I think radioactive material sources protons for accelerators.

Don't need to go to all that trouble. A proton is a hydrogen ion.

82 posted on 06/19/2005 12:19:42 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Physicist
Thanks, I'll do just that.

You might also give them a hint as to when antiparticles came into existence.

83 posted on 06/19/2005 12:21:21 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: bobbdobbs

Chance mutation and natural selection have not been falsifed. What is more, one concern that Darwinians have about ID is that they cannot think of a test for falsification.


84 posted on 06/19/2005 1:04:49 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: bobbdobbs
Thanks for the additional information.

As I said, I'm no Darwinist (since I beleive in God). I suppose I do believe in some sort of intelligent design, but I part ways with popular ID when the discussion turns to making the transcendant empirical.

Regards.

85 posted on 06/19/2005 4:05:09 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Stonedog

Godwin's Law states that you lose.


86 posted on 06/19/2005 4:09:38 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Stonedog

That's nice, call people Nazi's and then whine that they are going to attack you at any minute.


87 posted on 06/19/2005 4:12:32 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: TheLurkerX
Big Bang had been discarded as unworkable in favor of M Theory

M theory is an elaboration of the Big Bang theory.

88 posted on 06/19/2005 4:14:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
M theory is an elaboration of the Big Bang theory.

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M theory is a generalization of string theory.

89 posted on 06/19/2005 7:53:57 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: AndrewC
You might also give them a hint as to when antiparticles came into existence.

That would be right at the time that particles came into existence. What's wrong with the graphic?

I don't like the fact that they use "n" for neutrino and "t" for tau. The standard notation is that "n" stands for neutron and "t" for top quark.

90 posted on 06/19/2005 7:56:39 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Yes, but string theory is part of the Big Bang theory. In particular, the nonuniformity of the cosmic background radiation is taken to be a magnification of the early conditions.

Do you know why the size of the universe by the inflation model is commonly ignored in popularizations? Is it that the size of the universe out to the visible limit is already incomprehensible and considering the whole universe beyond that would short-circuit most minds?

91 posted on 06/19/2005 8:01:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
In particular, the nonuniformity of the cosmic background radiation is taken to be a magnification of the early conditions.

But string theory doesn't enter into that. Essentially all of the structure spectrum of the CMBR is determined by the fact that energy transport was primarily acoustic.

The Big Bang theory can work with or without string theory.

Do you know why the size of the universe by the inflation model is commonly ignored in popularizations?

For one thing, we only just recently determined that the universe is very, very much larger than the observable Hubble volume. For another, if a writer restricts his comments to our Hubble volume, it is at least possible to talk accurately and provably. And after all, our Hubble volume is quite large enough to blow almost any mind that tries seriously to grasp it.

92 posted on 06/19/2005 8:17:49 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist

It's too bad we can't do more experiments more quickly to uncover more of the system behavior of the Big Bang black box. At least it is being done scientifically [with hypothetical components], which would require fewer experiments and would happen sooner, rather than by art, but our set of system components seems to be changing every day. Quantum fluctuation, moderated by neutrinos, inflated to an incomprehensible size, or maybe brane collision, or maybe acoustics in an unknown medium, we need more lab data. Crystallization is as complex.


93 posted on 06/19/2005 8:27:02 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Physicist
That would be right at the time that particles came into existence

And what was "there" before that event?

94 posted on 06/19/2005 8:35:36 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: TheGeezer
I'm no Darwinist, but EMF is non-ionizing because it lacks sufficient energy to move protons and neutrons around. It affects electrons only, and that effect is temporary with the net effect ultimately zero (an electron moved away from one atom is replaced immediately by one freed from an adjacent atom).

I don't get what you're saying here because ionization has little or nothing to do with moving protons or neutrons around. It has everything to do with removing electrons, which you acknowledge can occur.

The statement that the net effect is zero and that a freed electron is immediately captured by an adjacent atom (which must also be an ion) is an oversimplification and not necessarily true.

Depending on conditions, electrons and ions can remain separated for considerably long periods of time in plasmas. However, the phrase 'long period' is a relative term and depends on the speed of other reactions or interactions of interest. Miliseconds are almost an eternity in plasma physics.

95 posted on 06/19/2005 9:08:44 PM PDT by pjd
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To: AndrewC
And what was "there" before that event?

That depends on what the physics was like above the grand unification scale. We don't know, yet, but we will.

96 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:04 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
That depends on what the physics was like above the grand unification scale.

We haven't even got to the grand unification level yet, so I don't have trouble believing that. Nonetheless, at the point at which we start with what we know, what do the variables describe as existing?

97 posted on 06/20/2005 7:34:03 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Nonetheless, at the point at which we start with what we know, what do the variables describe as existing?

Above the electroweak breaking scale, we have quarks, leptons, gravitons, gluons, and electroweak bosons.

98 posted on 06/20/2005 8:23:33 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: RightWhale

Has it occured to anyone that cosmogony is basically metaphysics? Oddly inconsist with the radi cal empiricism of most scientists? When I consider how much the Hubble sees and then what it CANNOT see, I am reminded of Pascal's awe at the immensity of things.


99 posted on 06/20/2005 8:56:06 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: RobbyS

Nope. You are the first to suggest that and should write the book.


100 posted on 06/20/2005 10:23:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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