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U.S. launches 2nd Iraq operation; 50 rebels dead
Reuters ^ | 18 June 05 | Peter Graff (Reuters Homo)

Posted on 06/18/2005 4:34:58 PM PDT by LSUfan

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Interesting spin by Reuters, the operations underscore our tasks: "There have been four major operations in the area since the beginning of May, underscoring the task U.S. forces face."

Seems to me killing and capturing them in our operations while sustaining few casualties is a significant underscoring of the problems the insurgents face.

Suiscide runs to blow up Iraqis to alienate the population or get slaughtered in operations we initiate, great tactical choices for the terrorist.

But let me see if I can grasp the Reuters take:

Every time we go on the offensive, it is bad for us, I guess because it shows that we needed to go on the offensive. good grief

In 1968, the problem was that the media misread Tet, which was a tactical disaster for the NVA and a militarily strategic disaster for the VC. Our media portrayed it as a major communist victory, and thus emboldened our enemy and encouraged them to hang on. War protesters picked up on it too.

But this spin from Reuters takes it to a whole other level. WE go on the offensive, incur few casualties, inflict many casualties, take prisoners, and operate with impunity and it is BAD news for OUR side.

1 posted on 06/18/2005 4:35:00 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Yeah. Tet. Wherein Fonda, Kerry, some in congress and the MSM managed to pull defeat out of victory.


2 posted on 06/18/2005 4:39:22 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: LSUfan

Another thing:

Why does reuters insist on calling the insurgents or terrorists "rebels?"

Seeing as a large percentage of them are not even Iraqi, but, rather, Saudi, Yemeni, Syrian, Chechan, Bosnian, etc., how can they be "rebels?"


3 posted on 06/18/2005 4:41:28 PM PDT by LSUfan
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Thus is great news, don't let Rooter's spoil it. Rooters has been using the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" schtick as policy for years. They never met a terrorist they didn't love.
4 posted on 06/18/2005 4:47:03 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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Seeing as a large percentage of them are not even Iraqi, but, rather, Saudi, Yemeni, Syrian, Chechan, Bosnian, etc., how can they be "rebels?"

Whatever.

Killing them 50 at a time is going to take forever.

5 posted on 06/18/2005 4:48:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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"Those who want a date have no understanding of military issues," said Khalaf, once a general in Saddam's army

..or put another way, Pelosi is an idiot.

6 posted on 06/18/2005 4:51:34 PM PDT by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: LSUfan

Rebels?


7 posted on 06/18/2005 4:54:56 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Jim Noble

Alternative?


8 posted on 06/18/2005 4:55:21 PM PDT by Rocky Mountain High
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"Killing them 50 at a time is going to take forever."

You're right. Why bother? We should just pull out of Iraq immediately. This is just gonna be TOO hard and take TOO long.


9 posted on 06/18/2005 4:58:23 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Jim Noble
"Killing them 50 at a time is going to take forever."

Beats killing them one at a time.

10 posted on 06/18/2005 5:00:19 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.21419,filter.all/pub_detail.asp

Terrorism's Silent Partner at the United Nations (snip)



By Joshua Muravchik
Posted: Thursday, October 21, 2004

ON THE ISSUES
AEI Online
Publication Date: October 21, 2004


This essay is also available in Adobe Acrobat PDF format.

With the Organization of the Islamic Conference defending any act committed on behalf of "national liberation," the United Nations cannot even issue an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism, let alone join the struggle to eliminate it.

This month, the United Nations Security Council voted to condemn terrorism. The resolution was introduced by Russia, still grieving over the terrorist attack on a school in Beslan, and perhaps the unanimous vote will give it a measure of solace. But the convoluted text and the dealings behind the scenes that were necessary to secure agreement on it offer cold comfort to anyone who cares about winning the war against terrorism. For what they reveal is that even after Beslan and after Madrid and after 9/11, the UN still cannot bring itself to oppose terrorism unequivocally.

Terrorism As a Right

The reason for this failure is that the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which comprises fifty-six of the UN's 191 members, defends terrorism as a right.

After the Security Council vote, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John C. Danforth tried to put the best face on the resolution. He said it "states very simply that the deliberate massacre of innocents is never justifiable in any cause. Never."

But in fact it does not state this. Nor has any UN resolution ever stated it. The U.S. delegation tried to get such language into the resolution, but it was rebuffed by Algeria and Pakistan, the two OIC members currently sitting on the Security Council. (They have no veto, but the resolution's sponsors were willing to water down the text in return for a unanimous vote.)

True, the final resolution condemns "all acts of terrorism irrespective of their motivation." This sounds clear, but in the Alice-in-Wonderland lexicon of the UN, the term "acts of terrorism" does not mean what it seems.

read more....


11 posted on 06/18/2005 5:00:40 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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"Killing them 50 at a time is going to take forever."

Your right. But I have a question. Why after 2 years in Iraq are we only now hearing about enemy body count. It seems like only recently do I remember reading ANY source note body count. Am I mistaken or has anyone else noticed that?


12 posted on 06/18/2005 5:07:39 PM PDT by hophead ("FRY MUMIA")
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"Am I mistaken or has anyone else noticed that?"

You're not mistaken. The media seemed to stop giving enemy body counts shortly after Saddam was caught.

Still waiting for an accurate talley - well, a good estimate - of the number of Iraqi civilians killed by the "insurgents" since military action began. We've lost about 1,500 soldiers. While the death of any of our uniformed soldiers is a tragedy, I believe the number of Iraqi civilian dead at terrorist hands is higher.

13 posted on 06/18/2005 5:18:48 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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The main thread within Islam is to hate and kill all of those who not believe in the same Islam as you do.

The main variable within Islam is how to do it---by being a direct bullet-firer, by being a suicide-bomber, by being a financial contributor, or by standing aside and doing nothing.

Islam covers all the basics except one---the human impulse for self-determination. Islam is the supreme "Group Rule".


14 posted on 06/18/2005 5:23:56 PM PDT by jolie560
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The body counts are there - on the CENTCOM and Iraqi government sites. The media won't mention them because that would mean listing the accomplishments of Allied forces as opposed to the enemy. If the media can't help the enemy there's no point writing a story.


15 posted on 06/18/2005 5:57:46 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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50 more dirtbags taking a dirtnap? Out-freaking-standing!!

Thats 50 less dirtbags that will harm our soldiers..

I'm still looking for Turban Durbin's comments about the non-military Americans taken in Iraq and beheaded, also the ones that were killed and tied up on that bridge.

I'm finding squat out there on that.....

16 posted on 06/18/2005 6:23:08 PM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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The Ole Miss Rebels? When did they start playing their games in Iraq?


17 posted on 06/18/2005 6:26:15 PM PDT by jayef (e)
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"Rebels?"

Infiltrated, foreign born, jihadist terrorists would be more fitting.

18 posted on 06/18/2005 8:04:56 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: LSUfan

Reuters has been doing everything it can to undermine America's effort from the very start. They are giving encouragement to our enemies to fight on.


19 posted on 06/18/2005 11:01:13 PM PDT by jonrick46
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"You're right. Why bother? We should just pull out of Iraq immediately. This is just gonna be TOO hard and take TOO long."

I hope you are kidding! Things will get better. Each insurgent killed takes away from the enemy the manpower which has come at a huge cost. We also take away their willingness to fight. You just do not know military matters.


20 posted on 06/18/2005 11:22:33 PM PDT by jonrick46
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