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To: SunkenCiv
If you read the material on the entire link, you will see how ice ages come about according to Felix. According to him and the data cited, ice ages are a natural occcurence and predictable. There is a point where gradually changing conditions reach critical mass and an ice age ensues. Felix believes that we are now experiencing ocean warming (vice global warming) due to increased underwater volcanic activity. Increase water temperatures release more CO2 into the atmosphere thereby increasing precipitation. When the increased rainfall turns to snow, a rapid onset of a new ice age is the result.

Current data seem to support Felix's contention. We have increased precipitation with 99% of the world's glaciers increasing in size, increased ocean warming caused by underwater volcanic activity, a decrease in ocean levels, magnetic pole reversal, and cooling temperatures.

I have read his book,Not by fire, but By Ice, and found Felix's arguments compelling and persuasive. Bascially, he is saying man has very little to do with climate change and we are not heading into a period of global warming, but rather, a new ice age.

26 posted on 06/18/2005 9:57:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
he is saying man has very little to do with climate change and we are not heading into a period of global warming, but rather, a new ice age.

With that, I would concur 100%.

The dogma that the Earth is warming due to man's ecological sins would seem to be a religious belief.

27 posted on 06/18/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: kabar; SunkenCiv
magnetic pole reversal,

The electromagnet that is the Earth is currently losing its magnetic field at an accelerated rate... I just had an interesting thought come to mind when you posted your comment.

If the magnetic field is decreasing (observations around the world say it is) but the mechanism for its creation still exists, unchanged, WHERE is the energy that DID create and maintain the higher Gauss field now? It has to evince itself somewhere. Could it be in a different form (law of conservation of energy) in the form of a generalized heat??? Hmmmmmm.

29 posted on 06/18/2005 4:52:30 PM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: kabar
Getting back to energy, all that ice requires lots of BTUs to form... the water must be brought into the atmosphere, transported to the poles or higher mountains to fall as precipitation and, so long as the local temperature in those areas stays below 32ºF, freeze, building up glaciers and ice caps.

If this is happening, then it requires either more heat or lower atmospheric pressure to evaporate water off the oceans and put it into the atmosphere to form water saturated clouds. If geology is any indicator, the ice forms fairly quickly, indicating large amounts of water being delivered fairly rapidly. "Global Warming" may be the mechanish that does indeed cause ice ages.

31 posted on 06/18/2005 5:21:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: kabar

"Felix believes that we are now experiencing ocean warming (vice global warming) due to increased underwater volcanic activity. Increase water temperatures release more CO2 into the atmosphere thereby increasing precipitation. When the increased rainfall turns to snow, a rapid onset of a new ice age is the result."

The oceans aren't warming at depth. CO2 doesn't increase precipitation. And if it were to increase precipitation (through so-called greenhouse warming) the temperatures would be too high for the snow to stick around all summer.

That last feature is a necessity for glaciation through gradual causes.


37 posted on 06/18/2005 8:41:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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Not by Fire but by Ice: Discover What Killed the Dinosaurs...and Why It Could Soon Kill Us by Robert W. Felix
Not by Fire but by Ice: Discover What Killed the Dinosaurs...and Why It Could Soon Kill Us Not by Fire but by Ice:
Discover What Killed the Dinosaurs...
and Why It Could Soon Kill Us

by Robert W. Felix
1997 edition


39 posted on 06/18/2005 8:53:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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