What a simple-minded, superficial little blog for anarchy. ( Americans breaking the law to help law breakers.)
Funny, he talks about bad argumentation and uses the weakest argument out there. The lettuce crap.
1. Vast majority of illegals don't work in agriculture.
2. Cost of labor is not the only core cost in agriculture. Maybe costs would go up, but that much.
3. Americans can also pick crops and have in the past.
4. Legal immigrants could also work in agriculture. Or perhaps a guest worker program only for ag might not be a bad idea.
5. Higher labor costs would encourage more mechanization in ag.
Char :)
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The right way to look at illegal immigration is with a pragmatic eye. Simple questions need to be asked: Are Americans willing to pay $4 instead of $1 for a head of lettuce?Do we really want to shore up the borders and then watch inflation grow rapidly? The big owners of agribusiness know the answer to these questions, as do the politicians they support.
The Agrbusiness has devised Olive pickers, Tomatoe Pickers, Carrot Pickers, I believe they will have very little problems devising anytype of "Picker". If it's an American holding a job then the job can be exported, if it's an illegal alien holding the job, then it must be saved because we Americans who's jobs have been exported do not want to pay $4 for a head of lettuce, picked by an American "Picker" that has a doctorates degree!!
What a load of Socialist Crap!! Seal the borders, get our high school kids off the streets and into the fields so they know what it means to have a job and to work for their money to raise a family.
So in other words, taxpayers get to pony up the big dollars to provide aid, comfort, and support to criminals just so Kalifornistan agri-corporations can keep their costs down and their profits up.
I can see how that can be good for the agri-corporations. I can almost see how that might be good for the "state" (whatever that means). But I still fail to see how it benefits the taxpayers who end up footing the bill.
the illegals send their money south of the border and take US government dollars. Ever been to any US public facility like even something simle as the dmv --that's not completely crowded with foreigners. The hospitals and prisons are crowded with foreigners on the US taxpayer dime.
what finacial drain of the illegals is just shifted from agribusiness to the US taxpayer.
Of course, "the state" didn't save anything. Some growers saved a bundle because wages were depressed for agricultural jobs. The Americans and legal immigrants who would have held those jobs lost out, as well as the taxpayers who have to pay for all the social services, as well as the victims of crime from the illegals. The taxpayers also lose out from the welfare, EIC, and Social Security fraud perpetuated by these illegals. Citizens lose out from housing shortages or increasing costs to rent or buy a home.
And there are many indirect or noneconomic costs, including living in a facsimile of Mexico.
*yawn* The migrant workers program is alive and well; our fields are only suffering because folks are applying for migrant work, get here, and instead work in construction, industry, cleaning our homes, mowing our lawns, caring for our kids.
They're stealing the jobs our children would normally do, and as an end result we're getting a second generation that don't understand hard work and getting ahead.
Even if the study was correct and it'd run $4 per head of lettuce, it is a cheap price to pay.
The truth, of course, is that the government doesn't want to do anything about it — and for good reason.
Our somewhat lax and paradoxical border policy is driven by something very basic: money and economics.
Another know-it-all who does not listen well. We talk all the time about economics and sending criminals like him to jail for using ILLEGAL alien labor. Taxpayer subsidized ILLEGAL labor, that is.
The big fuss [i.e., Prop 187, I guess] quietly went away and nothing much changed in California.
The know-it-all is wrong again. Strike two. The recall of the man who killed Prop 187 with his "mediation," Gov. Davis, lost his job due largely to his betrayal of the sixty percent of the voters who voted for Prop 187 in 1994.
Are Americans willing to pay $4 instead of $1 for a head of lettuce?
The man is an idiot*. Strike three and kicked off the team.
Or.. is he being facetious?
* Ag experts say the cost would increase by about five to ten percent. One is Agricultural economist Philip Martin of UC Davis, I believe is his school.
Main Entry: prag·mat·ic
2: relating to matters of fact or practical affairs often to the exclusion of intellectual or artistic matters: practical as opposed to idealistic Pragmatic men of power have had no time or inclination to deal with... social morality -- K. B. Clark
Um, No.
"Based in the greater Seattle area, TOPICS Entertainment is the foremost publisher of educational, reference and language learning software in the United States."
If this article is an example of education and reference, beware of TOPICS Entertainment!
Mr.James is "a member of numerous conservation groups and the American Civil Liberties Union."
Gee, I wonder how his "education and reference" software describes the Minutemen Project?
This is where it gets good, they think we don't know the truth. Wait until they see not only do we know it but millions of us are and have been watching for years.
He and his elite group should come down to earth.
Yes, in this "intellectual's" mind a talk show must be 'far right wing' if it advocates our border laws be enforced, illegal immigrants prohibited, and government services restricted to tax paying CITIZENS. They must be right wing whack-jobs if they demand that Article 4 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution and other pertinant articles be enforced.
Picking vegetables DOES NOT save the state money. It may save business money, but that is not the state. Government services are tapped for tens of billions of dollars. Millions of children of illegal immigrants attend U.S. schools for free. Tens of millions of illegal immigrants obtain their healthcare at the emergency rooms of hospitals, for free.
Those hospitals must provide some of those services for free. The state grudgingly picks up a portion as well. What this forces is a situation where the health care facility must cut costs across the board in order to keep their doors open. U.S. citizens who have insurance or pay cash, therefore receive less service so that the freeloaders can be subsidized.
The dirty little hidden secrets are that we not only pick up the freebies for citizens of foreign nations, but our healthcare services are deminished in the process.
I have nothing but contempt for this propagandizing fool. He is simply one more useful idiot on El Presidente Foxes' El Camino Royal that is being paved right over you, me, our families and our nation.
There is no rational argument for illegal anything. You can advocate changing the law, but not leaving it alone and then breaking it. If your favorite expedient aim can be achieved by ignoring the law, notice you are not alone in this. Your neighbors can achieve the expedient end of having a nice SUV, by taking yours at gunpoint. They shouldn't, because it destroys social cooperation and makes all of us worse off, to live like that. And you shouldn't, because ignoring the law whenever you feel like it, destroys social cooperation and makes us all worse off.
The objection to illegal immigration is first of all that it is illegal. Yes there are people who also object to immigration of any kind. There are people who object to trade of any kind. There are people who don't know the first thing about economics who have ignorant opinions. But there is nothing ignorant about wanting the law followed, and no slander of people for wanting it can make it unreasonable. It is the height of reasonableness. Without law abiding behavior, we are all in a jungle and devil take the hindmost.
Existing law needs to be enforced, and scofflaws dealt with severely enough that they think well more than twice about ever doing the like again. That means citizens too, who connive at it. In addition, we need some serious, serious focus on assimilation of existing populations. That means only English. It means no handouts, come here because you want to be free and plan to be a citizen and to support your own. It means fully complying with the law, at and beyond the border. It also means employers who want workers with fewer rights and more precarious status they can threaten, can take their capital and move to Burma, but they can't have it here.
The business right and Republican leadership needs to get much more serious about this and yesterday. Sustainable free trade and ongoing legal immigration are dependent on a societal consensus, which has evaporated at the moment at the grass roots. It can only be restored by taking legitimate concerns very seriously, by restoring order, law, national allegiance, and democratic control to our immigration policies. Running against legality and patriotism is a stone cold loser, and in the long run bad policy.
Wow... someone's quoting the platitudes of Roman Provincial governors, 350'sAD laeti-policy vintage
Illegals not costing the state a thing? Typical response from a liberal who doesn't live here. And this clueless idiot doesn't know that agriculture is employing far fewer workers that it has in the past due to increased mechanization and the demise of small family farms.