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Baldwinsville man's Quran contest called hurtful
The Post-Standard ^ | 6/17/2005 | Pam Greene

Posted on 06/17/2005 3:23:06 PM PDT by SamFromLivingston

Recruit's contest using Quran hinders Army's effort, officer says. Friday, June 17, 2005 By Pam Greene Staff writer

Jon Alvarez is two months away from reporting to military boot camp training, but he has already been flagged by his superiors as a potential troublemaker.

Alvarez, a staunch Republican from Baldwinsville who enlisted in the Army Reserve in April, has gained notoriety for political antics that include hanging a statue depicting the likeness of filmmaker Michael Moore from a noose and accusing those who speak against the military of treason.

Maj. Jeff Wildeboer, operating officer with the Army Reserve 403rd Civil Affairs Battalion in Mattydale, said Thursday he plans to alert commanding officers to Alvarez's latest campaign: a contest called "Create A Pig With The Koran."

On his Web site, www.pabaah.com, Alvarez invites people to create a papier-mache pig using pages of the Quran. Links show how to get a free copy of the Quran and how to make papier-mache.

Alvarez said the contest will illustrate the hypocrisy of Muslim extremists who burn the American flag, "because of the supposed desecration of the Quran," Alvarez said.

"They haven't apologized for burning our flag, yet they expect people to apologize for supposedly desecrating the Quran," he said.

Wildeboer said the contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims. The purpose of the battalion is to go overseas and build bridges with Muslims through an understanding of the religion, culture and language, he said. Alvarez's antic is "180 degrees" from the mission of the battalion, he said.

Wildeboer said it is too early to know if Alvarez's stunt will prevent him from being allowed into the reserves. Alvarez hasn't reported for duty yet and no one from the battalion had heard of the contest until Thursday, he said. Wildeboer said he will make sure the commanding officers are informed and the matter will be discussed with Alvarez when he reports for duty in August, he said. Officers will decide what to do about it then, Wildeboer said.

"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer said. "It shows poor taste."

The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez, said Mohamed Khater, president of the Islamic Society of Central New York.

"There isn't even a point in discussing it with him," Khater said.


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To: SedVictaCatoni

(yawn)


21 posted on 06/17/2005 3:43:36 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
It's a civil affairs battalion. Their mission is to go overseas and try to get along with the locals.

Well said. A civil affairs battalion is supposed to make contact with, and help out, the locals who are willing to help us. It makes things easier for our guys.

The last thing they need is somebody who can't contain his contempt for Muslims. I am not saying his contempt isn't justified to some degree...just that a civil affairs battalion probably isn't the best place for him. Put him in a tank.

23 posted on 06/17/2005 3:44:50 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: SamFromLivingston
The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez

Just like they reached out to Berg, Johnson and Armstrong I bet

24 posted on 06/17/2005 3:47:49 PM PDT by RinAZ2005
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To: Gator101
The last thing they need is somebody who can't contain his contempt for Muslims. I am not saying his contempt isn't justified to some degree...just that a civil affairs battalion probably isn't the best place for him. Put him in a tank.

No kidding. The attitude of some on here is that we should have put the War in the Pacific under the command of whichever cartoonist could draw the best bucktoothed "haw! haw! Me a Nip!" cartoon. It's unprofessional and pointless.

25 posted on 06/17/2005 3:48:03 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Moonwatcher
It is about seeing the whole picture and not just the immediate inconveniences. Those of us who serve and do it with a full knowledge, that we are in the military, make the best warriors. We just serve in different capacities.
26 posted on 06/17/2005 3:48:14 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: SamFromLivingston

Excellent Mr Alvarez.


27 posted on 06/17/2005 3:51:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: SedVictaCatoni

It's unprofessional



I post here for the fun of it. But, you mean we can get paid? Hey, Jim, show me the money!!!!


28 posted on 06/17/2005 3:53:42 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: shellshocked
Ask anyone of those Islamic cult members if they respect the Bible. I know they don't.

I presume that you "know" that Muslims consider the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran to be divinely revealed scriptures. In 1999, the London-based Islamic fundamentalist group Al-Muhajiroun issued a fatwa on the life of playwright Terrence McNally, who had written a play called Corpus Christi depicting Christ as a homosexual crucified as "King of the Queers". This was deemed an unacceptable defamation of the prophet Jesus.

29 posted on 06/17/2005 3:53:58 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: MarineDad

Ignorance is bliss, eh?


30 posted on 06/17/2005 3:55:13 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Jon Alvarez
"Create A Pig With The Koran."

*Sniff*

That's beautiful.

(You're in!)

31 posted on 06/17/2005 3:56:04 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: marmar

USA needs to examine the Quran for the truth, and declare it like it is. Muhammed was a blasphemer of Jesus Christ, for he claimed to be greater than Jesus. The Quran says that Jesus never did die on the cross, and that he was just taken ot heaven, because of God's mercy. The Quran teaches that Jesus will return, and that he will follow Muhammed, live for only 40 years and then die. The USA has not stood up for what we know to be true, and we are going to pay the price. The USA has not behaved honorably, we have let Satan shove his book in our face, and we have accepted it as being "holy". Shame on us all, lacking a courage to stand, all in the name of "religious freedom".


32 posted on 06/17/2005 3:59:20 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: SamFromLivingston
"There isn't even a point in discussing it with him," Khater said.

It's art. I would think the NY crowd would love it.

33 posted on 06/17/2005 3:59:40 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
(more yawn)

Suggestion to you and all other dhimmis-in-training: Peddle it somewhere else, bud.

I'm not buying.

You're imam's calling, seems you're late for evening prayers.

34 posted on 06/17/2005 4:03:26 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
The Muslims' stated goal is to turn our country and the rest of the world into an Islamic state. Learning about their religion and culture isn't a way to win the war.
35 posted on 06/17/2005 4:03:36 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: TheDon
"The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez, said Mohamed Khater, president of the Islamic Society of Central New York."

They want to reach his neck. So that they can cut his head off, and put the event on video. it would then be shown in NYC art museums as "performance art".

36 posted on 06/17/2005 4:06:29 PM PDT by Woodworker
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To: SittinYonder; CHARLITE
"Learning about their religion and culture isn't a way to win the war."

Hear Hear!

Blowing it the hell up is the way to victory!

37 posted on 06/17/2005 4:08:39 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Leapfrog
Blowing it the hell up is the way to victory!

That's certainly one way.

38 posted on 06/17/2005 4:11:16 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Muslims call Christ liar..

Jesus himself said that He is the Son of God

Mohamed said this is not true...that Jesus is not the Son of God..that God has no son..

Muslims boldly declare that Jesus was NOT crucified..(no crucification no substitutionary punishment for our sins...no salvation through Christ)

Muslims claim that WORKS save a man from Hell....

Jesus says that ONLY HE can save man ..and that NO man comes to the Father but by Him (Christ)

All these things the Son of God..Jesus Christ the Savior says of Himself..

Muslims say these things are not so..

They call Christ ...Liar..

Believe what you want..about them..they do not honor
the real God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob or God's only son
Jesus Christ..

Those who love death Hate God...
39 posted on 06/17/2005 4:18:49 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: tessalu
Just out of curiosity, what country are you from originally?
40 posted on 06/17/2005 4:20:57 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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