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Baldwinsville man's Quran contest called hurtful
The Post-Standard ^ | 6/17/2005 | Pam Greene

Posted on 06/17/2005 3:23:06 PM PDT by SamFromLivingston

Recruit's contest using Quran hinders Army's effort, officer says. Friday, June 17, 2005 By Pam Greene Staff writer

Jon Alvarez is two months away from reporting to military boot camp training, but he has already been flagged by his superiors as a potential troublemaker.

Alvarez, a staunch Republican from Baldwinsville who enlisted in the Army Reserve in April, has gained notoriety for political antics that include hanging a statue depicting the likeness of filmmaker Michael Moore from a noose and accusing those who speak against the military of treason.

Maj. Jeff Wildeboer, operating officer with the Army Reserve 403rd Civil Affairs Battalion in Mattydale, said Thursday he plans to alert commanding officers to Alvarez's latest campaign: a contest called "Create A Pig With The Koran."

On his Web site, www.pabaah.com, Alvarez invites people to create a papier-mache pig using pages of the Quran. Links show how to get a free copy of the Quran and how to make papier-mache.

Alvarez said the contest will illustrate the hypocrisy of Muslim extremists who burn the American flag, "because of the supposed desecration of the Quran," Alvarez said.

"They haven't apologized for burning our flag, yet they expect people to apologize for supposedly desecrating the Quran," he said.

Wildeboer said the contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims. The purpose of the battalion is to go overseas and build bridges with Muslims through an understanding of the religion, culture and language, he said. Alvarez's antic is "180 degrees" from the mission of the battalion, he said.

Wildeboer said it is too early to know if Alvarez's stunt will prevent him from being allowed into the reserves. Alvarez hasn't reported for duty yet and no one from the battalion had heard of the contest until Thursday, he said. Wildeboer said he will make sure the commanding officers are informed and the matter will be discussed with Alvarez when he reports for duty in August, he said. Officers will decide what to do about it then, Wildeboer said.

"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer said. "It shows poor taste."

The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez, said Mohamed Khater, president of the Islamic Society of Central New York.

"There isn't even a point in discussing it with him," Khater said.


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Alvarez said the contest will illustrate the hypocrisy of Muslim extremists who burn the American flag, "because of the supposed desecration of the Quran," Alvarez said.

"They haven't apologized for burning our flag, yet they expect people to apologize for supposedly desecrating the Quran," he said.

Right on if you ask me.

1 posted on 06/17/2005 3:23:06 PM PDT by SamFromLivingston
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To: SamFromLivingston

Private Skippy lives!


2 posted on 06/17/2005 3:25:47 PM PDT by RichInOC (Private Skippy is not allowed to make a papier-mache pig from the Koran.)
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To: SamFromLivingston
"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer said. "It shows poor taste."

Where the hell's the "theology" in Islamma-wamma-dingdongism?

It's just a bloody, insane, death cult - nothing more, nothing less.

3 posted on 06/17/2005 3:26:09 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: JonAlvy

ping


4 posted on 06/17/2005 3:29:26 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines ("I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."--S. Townsley on Ithaca)
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To: SamFromLivingston

The USAR should promote him the BGEN as soon as he completes basic training.


5 posted on 06/17/2005 3:30:06 PM PDT by quark
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To: SamFromLivingston

The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez, said Mohamed Khater, president of the Islamic Society of Central New York.

"There isn't even a point in discussing it with him," Khater said."He is after all only a Kufar."


6 posted on 06/17/2005 3:30:37 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SamFromLivingston
I seem to recall someone with that tag on FR...can anyone remember? I wonder if it is the same guy? At least he has a sense of humor, which is always appreciated when you are in the Mil. Especially being this Pro American.Just my opinion....
7 posted on 06/17/2005 3:31:32 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Babu; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
8 posted on 06/17/2005 3:32:08 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: marmar

I believe it is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386484/posts


9 posted on 06/17/2005 3:32:25 PM PDT by SamFromLivingston
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To: SamFromLivingston
The local Islamic community has tried unsuccessfully to reach out to Alvarez, said Mohamed Khater, president of the Islamic Society of Central New York.

"There isn't even a point in discussing it with him," Khater said.

The guy doesn't believe in dhimmitude. What's wrong with that?
10 posted on 06/17/2005 3:33:18 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: SamFromLivingston
Wildeboer said the contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims.

Well, I can imagine how a muslim might be offended, but how does this "stereotype" muslims?

11 posted on 06/17/2005 3:34:19 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: SamFromLivingston; eyespysomething
The purpose of the battalion is to go overseas and build bridges with Muslims through an understanding of the religion, culture and language, he said.

Good grief. If this is the mission, we might as well get our free copies of the Koran and start learning to pray toward Mecca. ... We're doomed.

12 posted on 06/17/2005 3:35:19 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SamFromLivingston

I thought so....passion and patriotism makes for a strong soldier....God Bless him and His...


13 posted on 06/17/2005 3:38:07 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: marmar
Jon Alvarez is a Freeper.

His screen name is Jon Alvarez.

He is very active in conservative matters in the central New York region. Kind of a local Dr. Raoul.

(steely)

14 posted on 06/17/2005 3:38:27 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: SittinYonder
If this is the mission, we might as well get our free copies of the Koran and start learning to pray toward Mecca. ... We're doomed.

It's a civil affairs battalion. Their mission is to go overseas and try to get along with the locals.

15 posted on 06/17/2005 3:38:29 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SamFromLivingston

Ask anyone of those Islamic cult members if they respect the Bible. I know they don't.


16 posted on 06/17/2005 3:39:02 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: jonalvy44

Ping.


17 posted on 06/17/2005 3:39:55 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Steely Tom

Good, I like it when people have fire in their eyes and passion in their hearts. It is what keeps this great nation strong....


18 posted on 06/17/2005 3:40:18 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: MarineDad
Where the hell's the "theology" in Islamma-wamma-dingdongism?

Do you know anything at all about Islam? Whether or not you like it or agree with it, there's no point in pretending that there aren't centuries of Islamic theological scholarship, the same as for Christianity.

19 posted on 06/17/2005 3:40:34 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SamFromLivingston

Ooh! I need to create a porcine origami fold for this! I wonder if a pig with wings would qualify?


20 posted on 06/17/2005 3:41:05 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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