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Court rules that Holocaust survivors' lawsuit against the Vatican can proceed
Catholic News Agency ^ | Jun. 15, 2005

Posted on 06/16/2005 4:56:23 PM PDT by Jane_N

San Francisco, Jun. 15, 2005 (CNA) - A ruling this week by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld an earlier decision that Holocaust survivors can continue their claims against the Vatican for the restitution of funds plundered from former Yugoslavia during the Second World War.

The majority of the victims of genocide in Croatia during World War II were Orthodox Christian Serbs. More than 500,000 of them were liquidated by the Croatian Ustasha, with the backing of some Catholic clerics. These funds have been referred to as the Ustasha or Croatian treasury.

According to a report by Matt Abbott, the San Francisco court denied a Vatican petition for reconsideration and a request for an extraordinary en banc hearing. It also issued an amended opinion which indicated the Italian Peace Treaty of 1947 did not preclude the lawsuit because the Vatican was not a signatory to the treaty.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 9thcircus; balkans; catholic; croatia; holocaust; lawsuit; massmurder; ninthcircuit; planetzongo; ruling; serbia; theholysee; ustasha; ustashe; ustashi; vatican; vaticanclaim; ww2; yugoslavia
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To: kstewskis
I think the 9th Circus has been smoking the wacky tabaky again.

LOL! They could be heard singing, "I smoke two joints in the morning. I smoke two joint at night. I smoke two joint in the afternoon. It makes me feel all right..."

41 posted on 06/16/2005 7:34:34 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: dubyaismypresident


Thanks for the reminder!


42 posted on 06/16/2005 7:38:33 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: GipperGal
Open season? Oh, come on.

Just this week, the Pope was asking the assistance of a liberal Methodist, the head of the WCC, to help in forming worldwide Church unity.

And, just this week, 350,000 members of the United Methodist Church of Virginia, voted to follow the Presbyterian Church of the USA and divest itself of any financial connection to Israel. They back the Palestinians. Can you believe it???

Lovely, just lovely? NOPE.

But, I have to ask, why did he ask a liberal METHODIST for help???

I just know, he did NOT know about the biggest group of Methodists in America, voting against Israel. I just know it.

43 posted on 06/16/2005 7:39:39 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Getting old is NOT for sissies.... trust me, I know!)
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To: onyx

Indeed! I told him, "over my dead body."


44 posted on 06/16/2005 7:39:41 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Lion in Winter; SteveMcKing

"I actually doubt that any money will ever be paid to the victims or their families. However, the information to the public about the past crimes, will be even more important."

I agree. This is about much more than money to the victims. The importance of the money is getting the perpetrators to own up to their crimes and getting the attention of the world.


45 posted on 06/16/2005 7:41:22 PM PDT by dervish
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To: GipperGal
LOL! They could be heard singing, "I smoke two joints in the morning. I smoke two joint at night. I smoke two joint in the afternoon. It makes me feel all right..."

"I smoke two joints in times of peace, and two in times of war. I smoke two joints, then I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more."

46 posted on 06/16/2005 7:42:00 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (And our prisoners at Gitmo eat better than I do)
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To: Lion in Winter
Mr. Lion,

Please tell me that you are not suggesting that the Pope is antisemitic?

47 posted on 06/16/2005 7:42:10 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: dubyaismypresident
"I smoke two joints in times of peace, and two in times of war. I smoke two joints, then I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more."

And then I just let go and let Jerry...

I saw that on a bumper sticker the other day. Need you ask -- yes, I live in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.

48 posted on 06/16/2005 7:44:05 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Alouette; Lion in Winter
Let's not focus on the Catholic church too much. Some elements, and I emphasis some, of Protestant Christianity in Germany were culpable as well.

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49 posted on 06/16/2005 7:44:25 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Lion in Winter
But, I have to ask, why did he ask a liberal METHODIST for help???

And Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes.

50 posted on 06/16/2005 7:45:00 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (And our prisoners at Gitmo eat better than I do)
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51 posted on 06/16/2005 7:45:21 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Lion in Winter


You don't really give a rip about anything except spewing your vile against the "Roman corrupted Church" -- right?


52 posted on 06/16/2005 7:45:38 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: GipperGal
I saw that on a bumper sticker the other day. Need you ask -- yes, I live in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.

You poor thing.

Atleast it hasn't caused you to lose your sense of humor.

53 posted on 06/16/2005 7:46:16 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (And our prisoners at Gitmo eat better than I do)
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To: dubyaismypresident
At least it hasn't caused you to lose your sense of humor.

Shhh! Don't let the Ninth Circuit know that. They might make it unconstitutional to laugh at them.

54 posted on 06/16/2005 7:48:01 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal
Shhh! Don't let the Ninth Circuit know that. They might make it unconstitutional to laugh at them.

SCOTUS would just reverse them, like they do with 80% of their rulings that go up to SCOTUS.

55 posted on 06/16/2005 7:48:52 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (And our prisoners at Gitmo eat better than I do)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Yeah, like this case is going to get anywhere at all. Like the Vatican is going to pay more than a moment's attention to this. Boy, what a bunch of money hungry jackals there are out there, the lawyers leading the parade.

Three earthquakes in a row in California in the last week. Eventually CA will break off from the mainland and float out to sea and sink. It will become the new lost city of Atlantis, and finally the Ninth Circuit Court will drown with all of its frivolous lawsuits. RIP.


56 posted on 06/16/2005 7:50:26 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: Lion in Winter

If the U.S. courts become a forum for all the injustice in the world, we won't have justice for ourselves, nor will we be able to afford the judges, lawyers and support staff to handle it.

This is a problem between the Vatican and the Serbs - if it is a problem.

The Vatican is no more responsible for the actions for a few renegade clerics than the U.S. is responsible for Abu Graib. But thats another issue I suppose and one that's certainly not any of our affair.


57 posted on 06/16/2005 7:52:55 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: flaglady47
Three earthquakes in a row in California in the last week. Eventually CA will break off from the mainland and float out to sea and sink.

The one today was pretty creepy. It just get going and going. I still feel a little sea sick from it.

58 posted on 06/16/2005 7:53:39 PM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Lion in Winter

Nothing good EVER came out of the Ninth Circuit anyway.


59 posted on 06/16/2005 7:53:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: GipperGal
Gipper gal, you are one of my favorite folks on FR. You know I am NOT anti-Roman Catholic. We have discussed things before, reasonably.

The point is that there was this horrid camp Jasenovic in Croatia( you can read more about it at the Holocaust Museum web site). Please do if you have the time. The leaders of Croatia were rabid Serb, Jew and Gypsy haters during WWII. They had the support of several so-called "clergy" who aided in the mass murders. Unfortunate, but true.

Somehow, the moneys and the property of the victims, it is ALLEGED, found their way into the Vatican treasury when the commies gained control of Croatia under Tito.

Now, before you get upset.... this is alleged... but there is some proof of funds disappearing into Italy.

I doubt if any money will ever be paid out to a soul.

However, the Swiss banks did have to pay money to Holocaust victims and their survivors on a case with similiar evidence.

I want more people to know more about the holocaust. All aspects of it.

This case may only result in facts coming out which will condemn those FEW so-called Clergy of Croatia and those nazi political leaders who were villians and actully, serve to vindicate the Vatican as a whole.

We shall see what happens.

60 posted on 06/16/2005 7:56:53 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Getting old is NOT for sissies.... trust me, I know!)
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