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Jury finds heavy smoking to be grounds for eviction
The Boston Globe ^ | By Ralph Ranalli and Jonathan Saltzman | June 16, 2005

Posted on 06/16/2005 5:33:52 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

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To: Protagoras

Well, I would say the smoker, and the landlord should split the bill...but thats just my opinion. :0)


141 posted on 06/16/2005 11:44:34 AM PDT by psychedelicate63
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To: Boston Blackie
I guess it never occured to this person who has asthma to go out and buy an air purifier. I guess once the cigarette smokers are gone, she's going to be completely cured.

One of the things I noticed after I quit smoking for 5 years was that the world smells really, really bad. In addition, a curious sidenote is that people who are super sensitive to the smell of smoke have really bad body oder. It's not that they're not clean, they just smell really bad. It must be a chemical thing, perhaps that's why they are so sensitive to the smell of smoke and other things.

142 posted on 06/16/2005 11:54:07 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Madame Dufarge

Do you consider 1600's colonial ?


143 posted on 06/16/2005 11:55:14 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa; tomakaze

Post 95 contains early 20th century dates.


144 posted on 06/16/2005 11:59:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Publius6961
Neurotics are not the center of the universe, you know.

No smokers are! Just watch their behavior when their junkie status is threatened.

145 posted on 06/16/2005 12:00:12 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

If you thought anti-smoking laws were a thing of the modern era, think again. In 1637, Plymouth Colony enacted the first anti-smoking law: a 12 pence fine for smoking in any street, barn, outhouse or highway, and for smoking anywhere further than 1 mile from your house. The fine increased to 2 shillings for a second offense. In 1640, a 5 shilling fine was enacted for any juror who smoked at any time during a trial, prior to giving a verdict. In 1669, smoking to and from church was added as a 12 pence fine.


Source
http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/History/CrimeAndPunishment.php


146 posted on 06/16/2005 12:01:08 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Publius6961
More proof that a much larger percentage of the American population is subject to delusions of grandeur and afflicted by serious neuroses?

Ain't that the truth. Ever notice that the guy living above the smoker always has asthma?

Hell, if they were eating peanuts down there instead of smoking, the guy above would probably be the guy with the deathly peanut allergy (one whiff and he goes into cardia arrest, y'know).

147 posted on 06/16/2005 12:01:18 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Boston Blackie

Lucky for the landlord they weren't smoking medical maryjane - the advocates for smoking would have crawled out of the woodwork!


148 posted on 06/16/2005 12:01:59 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Raycpa
Yes, I know.

You've been boring us to tears for ages with your little history lesson.

Post #95 still refers to the early 20th century, however.

149 posted on 06/16/2005 12:03:26 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tob2
Not all of us are lucky enough to be homeowners.

Luck doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with it.

It's a choice, y'know.

150 posted on 06/16/2005 12:04:49 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Madame Dufarge

I didn't understand 95's relevance.

How about these?

Officials in the northern colonies were less enthusiastic about the habit, however. In 1632, the General Court of Massachusetts Bay took the initiative and forbade smoking in public tinder penalty of a fine (Tobacco Institute, Massachusetts, 1971 : 17). In 1638, the proscription was expanded to prohibit anyone from smoking in any inn or public house except in his own room "so as neither the master of the house nor any of the guests there shall take offense thereat which if they do, then such person is forthwith to forebear upon paying of two shillings sixpence fine for every offense" (Werner, 1922: 100).

This law was followed by another in 1646 which prohibited smoking except on a journey of five miles or more from any town. Nor could a citizen of the colony bring a pipe or tobacco into the precincts of the court (Werner, 1922: 100), although he might smoke at "the ordinary tyme of repast comonly called dynner" (Heimann, 1960: 83).

Plymouth colony was similarly strict. In 1638, a law was passed forbidding anyone from smoking on the streets. The following year, it was decreed that jurymen might not smoke, on pain of a five shilling penalty.

In 1641, even the importation of tobacco was forbidden, although the law was repealed a year later. A law passed in 1646 prohibited all from smoking, but exempted "soldiers in time of their training." And, finally, in 1669, it was ordered that anyone found smoking on the Sabbath within two miles of a meeting house, would be fined 12 pence (Werner, 1922: 101).

The colony at New Haven, Connecticut, essayed a like series of statutes to regulate tobacco consumption. In 1646, the General Court decreed that:

No person under the age of twenty years nor any other that hath not already accustomed himself to the use thereof, shall take any tobacko, until he hath brough a certificate under the hands of [a physician] that it is usefull for him, and also, that he hath received a license from the court for the same.... None shall take any tobacko, publickly in the street or any open places unless on a journey of at least ten miles. (Tobacco Institute, Connecticut: 20-21).

Within three years those laws were repealed (Werner, 1922: 102). However, it was further ordered in 1655 that:

No tobacco shall be taken in the streets, yards or aboute the howses in any plantation or farme in this jurisdiction without dores, neere or aboute the towne, or in the meeting howse, or body of the trayne Souldiors, or any other place where they may doe mischief thereby, under the penalty of 84 pence a pipe for a time, wch is to goe to him that informs and prosecuts (Heimann, 1960: 83).

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/LIBRARY/studies/nc/nc2b.htm


Those who are ignorant make claims that the "good old days" were better about smoking. It isn't true.


151 posted on 06/16/2005 12:05:16 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Publius6961
Suppose your gross overweight body produces an intolerable smell offending others for a radius of 100 yards. Can the rest of us have you evicted?

Probably.

Thank goodness.

I know of tenants who have been evicted for preparing, keeping, and eating kimchi (Korean fermented cabbage) in their apartments. Not in Korea, of course. In Korea the stench of garlic is everywhere and your nose gets numb to it after awhile. Koreans instead complain that Americans' body odor stinks like dairy products. I suppose a morning milk mustache might get you evicted in Korea.

Culture and background drive many of these decisions and actions. When people live in close confines it can be a difficult task to enforce the rights of one without compromising the rights of another.

152 posted on 06/16/2005 12:10:09 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Boston Blackie

Do you cook garlic 10 to 20 times a day and sometimes even in the middle of the night?


153 posted on 06/16/2005 12:10:09 PM PDT by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: 1stFreedom

Maybe you should fix the holes in our floor.


154 posted on 06/16/2005 12:14:38 PM PDT by ampat
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To: cracker

Does all the whining by the non-smokers constitute being a nuisance or"offenseive noise"?


155 posted on 06/16/2005 12:18:21 PM PDT by ampat
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To: Raycpa
I didn't understand 95's relevance.

You're being deliberately (I hope) obtuse.

Just entertain yourself with the pointless history.

I had forgotten that one must never, ever encourage you in your quest for attention.

156 posted on 06/16/2005 12:32:53 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Boston Blackie

If Michael Jackson would have forced those kids to smoke...he'd be on his way to jail.


157 posted on 06/16/2005 12:34:56 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Hot will cool, if greedy will let it.)
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To: tahiti
I am a landlord and I decide what can and cannot be done on my property.

Ever hear of the Fair Housing Act, zoning, wetlands and a myriad of other property laws?

158 posted on 06/16/2005 12:47:29 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Madame Dufarge

95 is not mine.


159 posted on 06/16/2005 12:53:01 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: TnGOP
Today is four months tobacco free for me.

Congratulations.

But be forewarned. I smoked from age 12 to age 21. This Halloween will be my 20th anniversary ... and I still get an occasional craving.

Nicotine is one nasty drug.

160 posted on 06/16/2005 12:55:12 PM PDT by Freebird Forever (Imagine if islam controlled the internet.)
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