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Defectors say China running 1,000 spies in Canada
cbc.ca ^ | Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:59:15 EDT | CBC News

Posted on 06/15/2005 10:57:04 PM PDT by Destro

Defectors say China running 1,000 spies in Canada

Last Updated Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:59:15 EDT

CBC News

Two Chinese defectors say the Chinese government has a network of more than 1,000 spies and informants in Canada.

The two men were diplomats in Australia, where they are now seeking political asylum. They say Australia and other countries such as the United States have Chinese spy networks operating inside them too.

The defectors say the spies and informants have orders to disrupt the Falun Gong movement, which China calls "a dangerous cult," and to steal commercial and scientific secrets.

Chen Yongleen, the first secretary of the Chinese consulate in Sydney, defected two weeks ago. He was followed a short time later by How Fungjing, a low ranking Chinese intelligence officer.

Speaking to Australian journalists, Chen and How accused the Chinese government of maintaining a large network of spies in Australia primarily to harass Falun Gong members and steal commercial secrets.

"They were monitoring the activities and report back and they take some activities against the democracy movement and the Falun Gong people," said Chen.

The defectors went on to say that the spying network extends to countries with large Chinese immigrant populations, including the U.S. and Canada. How said he'd worked in a group in the Chinese Public Security Bureau known as the 610 office, a special unit created in 1999 to monitor and disrupt the activities of the Falun Gong overseas.

How says Canada has more spies operating in it than any other country.

Businessman Joe Wang is convinced he's already had a run-in with Chinese intelligence agents in Toronto.

Wang is manager of NTDTV, a satellite television network that beams programming critical of the government directly into China.

Two months ago Wang says his Toronto office began receiving envelopes through the mail filled with a mysterious white powder. The outside of the envelopes were marked with the Chinese symbol for death and the words Falun Dafa.

"I'm pretty sure the Chinese consulate is behind this," Wang said.

The envelopes were turned over to the police. The powder in the first turned out to be boric acid.

The Chinese embassy in Ottawa dismisses Wang's allegations and the allegation of the Chinese defectors in Australia as "pure fabrication."

However, former CSIS agent Michel Juneau-Katsuya, finds them credible. During the mid-1990s ,Juneau-Katsuya oversaw the CSIS Asian-Pacific desk. He says if Canadian intelligence agencies weren't preoccupied with Islamist terrorists these days they would realize the greatest threat to Canadian security comes from China.

Particularly in the theft of scientific and commercial data.

"We estimated at CSIS that we were losing $1 billion a month, $12 billion a year, due to industrial espionage," he said.

But Juneau-Katsuya does find the allegation that there are over 1,000 Chinese spies in Canada hard to believe. He says it's more likely the majority are not trained spies but paid informants. But he says there's plenty of evidence to prove that Chinese intelligence agents use illegal methods to spy on and disrupt the Falun Gong.


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Canada; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinesedefectors; whitepowder
Note to admin mod: There should be a "China" selection to click off in the Topics section.
1 posted on 06/15/2005 10:57:04 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

It is said that half the Chinese here are spying on us.

The other half is spying on the first half...


2 posted on 06/15/2005 11:01:21 PM PDT by null and void (Oh what a tag lined web we weave...)
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To: null and void

LOL. Although I am almost certain the truth is not far off from what you said.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 11:03:46 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Destro

You're a little late on this one, bud.

LoL, this news is about 2 weeks old.


4 posted on 06/15/2005 11:03:46 PM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Destro

LOL...they must have twice that number in California alone...must be bumping into eachother terribly up in Canuckistan.


7 posted on 06/15/2005 11:08:24 PM PDT by Khurkris (I need a new tagline..let me work on it a while.)
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To: null and void; spetznaz; Dr. Marten; btwg156
Chinese defector says U.S. turned him away
8 posted on 06/15/2005 11:08:59 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I'd hate to think the Chinese are stealing all of Canada's commercial and scientific secrets.

Imagine if they ever discover the secret of Sweet N Sour Back Bacon.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 11:15:36 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (It's the Anti-Americanism, Stupid!)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

...maybe older news, but I missed the part about Canada the first time around. There are a heck of a lot of Chinese students and graduate assistants in the USA, and quiet a few of those are most likely lower level officials.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 11:28:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Destro

I saw that this morning.

There are a lot of interesting twists in this story.

For one, why didn't he go to the US Embassy's office in person rather than calling on the phone? That would have demanded taht they interview him for asylum.

Something smells funny about this story.


11 posted on 06/15/2005 11:39:48 PM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Destro
and steal commercial secrets.

So they want to learn how to crash a booming economy? Go North young men...

13 posted on 06/16/2005 12:07:13 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Destro

This sounds lke a case for Jack Bauer


14 posted on 06/16/2005 12:53:02 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: familyop
==maybe older news, but I missed the part about Canada the first time around. There are a heck of a lot of Chinese students and graduate assistants in the USA, and quiet a few of those are most likely lower level officials.

I used to eat lunch with them several times a week at this Chinese buffet. They would come in vans, they had "minders" and their meals were pre-paid. I don't know how to explain it exactly, but you could tell they were from a Communist country in their faces. I have often thought of returning to that Restaurant someday and FOLLOWING THOSE VANS to see where they work.
15 posted on 06/16/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

thats almost 10x larger than the entire Canadian Armed Forces


16 posted on 06/17/2005 5:24:30 PM PDT by atlanta67
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