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To: kesg
>>"The man who gives up liberty for security deserves neither liberty or security."

>But who wants to give up one for the other when you can have both?

EXACTLY! There's no need to give up liberty to have security...That false choice is the fallacy that the PATRIOT ACT supporters try to get people to swallow, and once they've swallowed that lie, then it's easy to convince them that the restrictions on liberty are NEEDED!

137 posted on 06/14/2005 4:05:04 PM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: Gondring
That false choice is the fallacy that the PATRIOT ACT supporters try to get people to swallow, and once they've swallowed that lie, then it's easy to convince them that the restrictions on liberty are NEEDED!

The common thread in all of these arguments is that the Patriot Act somehow restricts liberty. But it doesn't, and no one has persuasively shown otherwise. It does make it harder for terrorists and criminals to plot, scheme, and act without interference from law enforcement. That’s a good thing, not a bad thing.

149 posted on 06/14/2005 8:24:23 PM PDT by kesg
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