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Conservatives, liberals align against Patriot Act
The Washington Times ^ | June 14, 2005 | James G. Lakely

Posted on 06/14/2005 12:14:50 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: steve-b

Huh?


221 posted on 06/16/2005 6:40:58 AM PDT by kesg
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To: steve-b

No it isn't.


222 posted on 06/16/2005 6:41:28 AM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg

Don't play at being obtuse. Down-playing the administration's breach of the pledge that the PA was strictly about terrorism makes you no better than Carvile down-playing the previous occupant's breach of his oath to tell the truth to the court.


223 posted on 06/16/2005 6:44:15 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

I don't remember anyone in the Administration promising that the Patriot Act would apply only to terrorists. And I wouldn't agree with them even if they did.


224 posted on 06/16/2005 10:06:54 AM PDT by kesg
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To: pbrown; kesg
Lest you forget... "Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity." -Lord Acton

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - Samuel Adams

"There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice." - Charles de Montesquieu

"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience" - Albert Camus

"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." - Charles A. Beard

225 posted on 06/16/2005 10:18:51 AM PDT by to_zion
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To: kesg
I don't remember anyone in the Administration promising that the Patriot Act would apply only to terrorists.

Try ginko bilboa.

226 posted on 06/16/2005 10:39:51 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

Try using a spellchecker.


227 posted on 06/16/2005 11:53:41 AM PDT by kesg
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To: to_zion

228 posted on 06/16/2005 12:00:30 PM PDT by kesg
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To: to_zion
I have posted quotes such as yours on other threads.

Sheeple cannot see what is in front of their very eyes. It would be too much for some to take in.

229 posted on 06/16/2005 12:18:40 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: kesg

I actually used Google, and I'm about 30 years younger than the man pictured. At least you got the glasses right.


230 posted on 06/16/2005 1:12:34 PM PDT by to_zion
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To: kesg
The law makes it harder for terrorists and criminals alike to plot, scheme, and operate without government knowledge or interference -- and it does so in a manner fully consistent with the Constitution.

BBBBWWWWWAAAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHH!!!!!

What a prole.

231 posted on 06/17/2005 6:38:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Tench_Coxe
Never argue with a fool, after a while, no one will be able to tell the difference between yourself and the fool. The person you are responding to obviously likes to engage in mental self-abuse.

There are always state-worshiping morons around, in any government, in any time.

I call them proles.

232 posted on 06/17/2005 6:44:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: kesg
Thank G-d you were not present during the crafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

You'd have had us in a tyrannical government in no time.

Let me guess: Robert Mugabe is a hero to you.

233 posted on 06/17/2005 6:50:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz
Let me guess: Robert Mugabe is a hero to you.

Guess again. How old are you, anyway?

234 posted on 06/17/2005 7:35:44 AM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg
Guess again. How old are you, anyway?

Old enough to be against the formation of tyranny.

Unlike yourself.

235 posted on 06/17/2005 7:36:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Guess again. How old are you, anyway?

Old enough to be against the formation of tyranny.

I guess I need to rephrase my question. How old, in years, are you?

236 posted on 06/17/2005 7:40:15 AM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg
I guess I need to rephrase my question. How old, in years, are you?

I don't answer personal questions from Freepers who lovingly hold tyranny to their breast.

237 posted on 06/17/2005 7:43:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz

That answer confirms my suspicion. "Lovingly hold tyranny to their breast??" Dude, your writing and rhetorical skills need serious work!


238 posted on 06/17/2005 9:14:29 AM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg
Dude, your writing and rhetorical skills need serious work!

Dude, your respect for individual liberties and freedom need serious work!

239 posted on 06/17/2005 10:29:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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