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Congratulations Michael, now please, get help
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 14, 2005

Posted on 06/14/2005 7:32:32 AM PDT by Asphalt

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To: MizSterious

Nancy Grace never met a defendant that wasn't guilty, to her thinking. Just watching her little nostrils flair makes me want to vomit.

I didn't see any of the trial, so can't comment on the evidence, but I think that the prosecution had a really crappy case, and my gut feel from the get-go was that this was a shakedown by the accuser's mom because she figured her Jackson-provided gravy train (complete with body wax!) was about to end.


161 posted on 06/14/2005 8:54:12 AM PDT by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: meandog

162 posted on 06/14/2005 8:54:21 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: blueblazes
I'm wondering what kind of evidence you would deem sufficient to actually convict Michael Jackson of child molestation? Obviously his public statement that he sleeps with young boys in the same bed isn't enough, nor is the case the DA put together enough. So what IS enough for a conviction?

Bring forth a victim who doesn't change his story on under cross examination. That would be a start.

163 posted on 06/14/2005 8:54:46 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Altamira

Six of the jurors admitted they're Jackson fans, according to their interviews before jury selection.


164 posted on 06/14/2005 8:54:48 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: blueblazes

Yes, some of these cases lately are proving, more than ever, that common sense is NOT common. Not at all. And becoming more rare every day.


165 posted on 06/14/2005 8:54:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: shellshocked

How is that person going to "get" help without some kind of legal intervention, and how are children going to be protected from his bizarre behavior, including his own children, without legal intervention?


166 posted on 06/14/2005 8:55:46 AM PDT by blueblazes
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To: shellshocked
"For a man with an abused history and significant signs of failing to mature, it is not suspect of criminal behavior but a clear indication the person needs help."

Yes, I suppose in your deranged world sleeping with boys would be merely a cry for "help."

167 posted on 06/14/2005 8:57:12 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Cmonster
Cmonster Since Jun 8, 2005

Race-baiting troll. I'm sure that is going to work out really well for you around here.

168 posted on 06/14/2005 8:57:16 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Asphalt

Tom Sneddon is a Cold Man. Don't You Snap Your Fingers At Me, Lady!


169 posted on 06/14/2005 8:58:08 AM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: sarasota

Ugh, I wonder why they weren't stricken?


170 posted on 06/14/2005 8:58:34 AM PDT by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: blueblazes
Why don't you go back and look at the facts of the case and see where the prosecution completely fell apart? The prosecutor didn't just charge Jackson with molesting the child -- he also charged Jackson with constructing this web of deceit (conspiracy) to hold the family against their will to keep them at Neverland until they agreed to keep their mouths shut.

One basic problem was that this sequence of events was all fouled up. The "detention" of the family at the ranch to silence them occurred BEFORE the child was allegedly molested (and this is based on the time line that the prosecution constructed!). If I were a juror and this kind of idiotic chain of events were presented to me, then I'd have a hard time keeping a straight face in the courtroom. I mean, can a criminal prosecution get any more sloppy than this?

171 posted on 06/14/2005 8:58:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: sinkspur

That might be difficult to do considering that child molesters pick their victims from dysfunctional families and their victims tend to be bleeped up and vulnerable to start with. I think that's why we have to look at the pattern of behavior with this guy and his own public admission that he sleeps with young boys. That, in and of itself, and that alone, should be enough to convict him. He is seriously disturbed and should be stopped from harming mroe children. Without legal intervention, how is that to happen? ANd how can the authorities intervene when the witnesses are bound to have serious problems as that is the kind of person that Jackson preys on?


172 posted on 06/14/2005 8:59:32 AM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes
Just the very statement he has made that he sleeps with young boys should be enough to convict him in all cases. What do you think he's doing with those kids?

He says nothing. Where's your evidence that he's molested any of those kids? McCauley Culkin testified that he slept with Jackson and nothing happened. No other kid testitied that anything happened, except this kid, who changed his story under cross examination.

Our judicial system requires at least an accuser, and there was only one accuser with a couple of different accounts of what happened.

173 posted on 06/14/2005 8:59:34 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

That's what I've been thinking. I know that's not very popular! I don't know what to think of Michael. He's become so weird in the last several years! Part of what he says about his surgeries on his face could be true. He may have that skin condition; and to even out his skin tone, he may be using light colored make-up, I don't know.

But he may be innocent in this case, but maybe not. The evidence against him in this case may have been merely circumstantial. Or it just wasn't enough, as in the case of Coby Bryant.

He strikes me as someone who might have suffered some molestation in his formative years. Or maybe he was seduced. Then he turns around and does it to others. It might have started out innocently enough, then without anyone stopping him, he got bolder. Then he got sneakier. I never heard anything about his behavior toward boys until about 12-15 years ago.

He had been getting steadily stranger since even then. It was easy to see that his appearance was changing. His behavior got odder. He didn't seem to want to be black anymore. He didn't go out with/marry any black women or girls. His kids aren't black either. I wonder if we'll ever know what got into him over the years!


174 posted on 06/14/2005 8:59:35 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: shellshocked
Yes, I believe he is innocent of molestation and of providing alcohol to minors.

I don’t think it is normal for a man to sleep with boys as often as he does, but it is not criminal.

Jackson has a serious mental problem. He has the mentality of a 12 year old. I suspect that is due to the abuse and traumatic childhood he endured. Many abused children have that problem: They fail to mature. Jackson loves children as playmates, not sex toys. He seems to see himself as a 12 year old. He needs therapy and the help to mature.

And I suppose it's just a coincidence that his privates were accurately described and the same molestation acts were identical on each of the previous kids? The books of pornographic pictures of children were just all about Peter Pan wanting to be free and naked, huh?

You are pathetically naive and are just the type of target criminals prey on.

175 posted on 06/14/2005 9:00:40 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: shellshocked
" what was left to develop: 140 witnesses and a closet full of evidence and that wasn't enough??? It's not the quantity, but the quality. Some of the "prosecution witnesses" testified favorably for the defense. That alone is a case killer. Other witnesses were not believable.

Regarding the "closet full of evidence, which piece of physical evidence demonstrated guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?

This case eventually boiled down to he said - she said, and that's not enough to convict.

176 posted on 06/14/2005 9:00:49 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: theFIRMbss

Nothing new. These are Californians. They were star struck. It's like having Lucy Ricardo and Ethel Mertz on a jury of a star.


177 posted on 06/14/2005 9:01:28 AM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I don't care how sloppy the prosecution was. The bottom line is that this is a man who admits to sleeping with little boys. That truly is enough for me. He needs to be stopped. If the jury had any common sense they would have convicted him on a lesser charge - of alcoholism - so that Jackson could get the help he needs, stop molesting little boys, and stop creating future victims. No justice has been served by this verdict. Nothing good or productive can come out of this verdict for either Jackson or his victims. He will simply go on to molest other children. The only way to have stopped him, even if they didn't believe the conspiracy charges, etc, was to convict him on a lesser charge. That would have been the responsible, ethical, and common sensical thing to do. Now the biggest child molester on the planet is free. What message does this send to other molesters?


178 posted on 06/14/2005 9:02:23 AM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Cmonster

"It's just that Surburban White America(SWA) really has little to fear from the justice system and law enforcement... Let me also assure you that it's not because SWA violtes the law less often, it's just that when they are caught violating the law, the charges are usually dropped or no jail time is served."

Yeah, as a white man, I can rob a bank, steal a car, drink and drive, and molest children, and I have pretty much a free pass.

You have got to be out of your mind to believe this.


179 posted on 06/14/2005 9:03:28 AM PDT by SerpentDove (Don't we all have a little Spongebob in us?)
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To: SerpentDove

You left out murder.


180 posted on 06/14/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by blueblazes
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