Posted on 06/13/2005 12:48:28 PM PDT by neverdem
THE Patriot Act - brilliant! Its critics would have preferred a less stirring title, perhaps something along the lines of the Enhanced Snooping, Library and Hospital Database Seizure Act. But then who, even right after 9/11, would have voted for that?
Precisely. He who names it and frames it, claims it. The Patriot Act, however, may turn out to be among the lesser threats to our individual and collective privacy.
There is no end to what we will endure, support, pay for and promote if only it makes our lives easier, promises to save us money, appears to enhance our security and comes to us in a warm, cuddly and altogether nonthreatening package. To wit: OnStar, the subscription vehicle tracking and assistance system. Part of its mission statement, as found on the OnStar Web site, is the creation of "safety, security and peace of mind for drivers and passengers with thoughtful wireless services that are always there, always ready." You've surely seen or heard their commercials, one of which goes like this:
Announcer The following is an OnStar conversation. (Ring) OnStar OnStar emergency, this is Dwight. Driver (crying) Yes, yes??! OnStar Are there any injuries, ma'am? Driver My leg hurts, my arm hurts. OnStar O.K. I do understand. I will be contacting emergency services. Announcer If your airbags deploy, OnStar receives a signal and calls to check on you. (Ring) Emergency Services Police. OnStar This is Dwight with OnStar. I'd like to report a vehicle crash with airbag deployment on West 106th Street. Emergency Services We'll send police and E.M.S. out there. Driver (crying) I'm so scared! OnStar O.K., I'm here with you, ma'am; you needn't be scared.
Well, maybe just a little scared. Tell us again how Dwight knows just where the accident took place. Oh, right! It's those...
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Note to Ted: OnStar is voluntary. (At least for now.) Patriot act is not. Patriot's violations of privacy penetrate everyone's lives.
I'd like to know what these people are doing that has them so scared.
Exactly. I haven't noticed any change to my day-to-day life, have you?
"Patriot's violations of privacy penetrate everyone's lives."
Specify the "violations of privacy" inherent in the Patriot Act.
The power for FBI to grant itself warrants, without the need for judicial review. "Gee, let's go write ourselves a search warrant here, boys."
Exactly. If you're not a Muslim terrorist or black criminal, what do you have to be afraid of? I haven't done anything wrong, so they can "snoop" on me all they want.
Sure, with this President in office.
We dare not give any power to the Bush administration that we wouldn't have given to the Clinton administration (the past one or the next one).
Please don't confuse the desire for privacy for the attempt to conceal criminal conduct. Please also don't confuse the desire for a limited and accountable government for a desire to engage in terrorist activities.
"The power for FBI to grant itself warrants, without the need for judicial review. "Gee, let's go write ourselves a search warrant here, boys.""
There IS judicial review after the fact. Nobody wants to be the guy who wrote out a bad warrant and get slapped down by the judge afterwards--it's a career-limiting move.
I'm not impressed with the judicial slap-downs of rogue FBI agents you speak of, to date. The FBI is counting on it being easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
My concerns exactly. When, one day, "hate speech" becomes a crime and a powerful Demonrat administration decides to track down everyone who has ever said anything politically incorrect on the internet, I'm not so sure I'll be very pleased with all that the Patriot Act has accomplished.
"I'm not impressed with the judicial slap-downs of rogue FBI agents you speak of, to date. The FBI is counting on it being easier to ask for forgiveness than permission."
Forget the judicial slap-down.
The annual performance review would generate an adverse result, and probably be a permanent career-killer.
"Embarrassing the Bureau" is the one unforgivable sin.
You will when Hitlery is President. We saw what they could do to their opponents with the previously-existing powers. Imagine them with the enhanced powers of the Patriot Act.
And it's illegal to tell anyone about it.
Was the bureau embarrassed at Ruby Ridge? (Did Lon lose his job? - No, he was promoted to sniper team lead at Waco.) Was the bureau embarrassed at Waco? Did anyone lose their job there? No? Who lost his job because of false accusations against Richard Jewell? Who lost his job because several terrorists already on watch lists boarded flights on 9-11-2001?
Meanwhile, your rights have still been violated.
Your house has still been invaded, your computer files have been monitored, copied, and cleaned. The government has secured a list of your reading materials from the library. And the fact that the person responsible is slapped down and penalized after the fact does nothign to redress teh violations of your rights.
E-ZPass is "voluntary," too...
...but I have a dollar bill in my wallet that says, "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE"....yet this dollar bill cannot be used for some exits off the Pennsylvania Turnpike. You must turn over your privacy to use an exit on a road for which your tax dollars are already being spent.
But the point is well taken...you can choose not to use OnStar, but you can't choose to avoid the PATRIOT ACT's privacy violations.
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