Posted on 06/13/2005 6:08:24 AM PDT by sheltonmac
"And how did that piece of paper give them ownership of something that didn't belong to them in the first place?"
I'd imagine that the British said the same thing, once upon a time.
John Brown was convicted and executed on the asinine charge of treason against Virginia. Which begs the question of how someone who is not a citizen of Virginia and who has never lived in Virginia can be convicted of treason against Virginia?
That's why there was a seven year period of disagreement known as the Revolutionary War.
OK, so we've established that Sherman was a better speller than this unnamed Assistant Secretary of War. What next?
"Sherman was a better speller"
Better? I don't doubt that "luney" was the accepted spelling at the time. Standards change... what a concept.
"there was a seven year period of disagreement known as the Revolutionary War."
You get a gold star for that one.
Yes, there were some horrible conditions, but unlike chattle slavery, there were ways to change the conditions (organized labor) or to escape from them for better opportunities. Life was a hard struggle, but not "hopeless" as it was with slavery.
"Which begs the question of how someone who is not a citizen of Virginia and who has never lived in Virginia can be convicted of treason against Virginia?"
By committing an act of treason against the state of Virginia, in the opinion of the courts of that state, no doubt.
Isn't citizenship, or at the very least residency a requirement for treason?
I like your handle Luke21.
I don't agree with his stance on slavery, but I do agree with his concept of two Presidents, one for the North and one for the South, each with veto power. We could check the liberal states easily.
Well, you were stating that God condemns it. I say there is nothing to back up that assumption.
Well, we disagree. I think secession is a basic right. There are plenty of writings by the Founding fathers to back it up.
John Brown was hung for the act of "Treason" against the Commonwealth of Virginia. Look it up.
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I agree , it would be bad, but I have to say yes, those installations WOULD be their property. Now the weapons themselves would probably not fall in that category.
Secession wasn't spelled out, because most considered it a more or less basic right. Virginia expressly mentions the right, in their ratification documents.
Are you now arguing in favor of Confederate jurisdiction? Had John Brown committed his offense post-bellum, no doubt he would have justifiably been convicted of treason under US federal jurisdiction. When John Brown reached Harper's Ferry, his first act was to take possession of United States' property and overpower United States guards found there. When finally captured, it was by United States troops on United States' property after a fight in which one of the United States Marines was killed.
Are you now arguing in favor of Confederate jurisdiction?
I didn't say that.
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