Posted on 06/13/2005 6:08:24 AM PDT by sheltonmac
War is hell.
Or at least listened to members of his cabinet.
"Firing on that fort will inagurate a civil war greater than any the world has yet seen...At this time it is suicide, murder, and will lose us every friend in the North...You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it put us in the wrong; it is fatal." -- Robert Toombs
So he just ignores illegal attacks and seizure of federal property? Smart real smart.
John Brown was HANGED by the federal government. But that has nothing to do with the FACT that there was a decade long conspiracy to destroy the Union fomented in the South.
"War is hell."
Thus saith the certifiably "luney" Sherman, who, by the way, was also the author of "forty acres and a mule."
No NE didn't TRY secession it merely TALKED about it. Fortunately there were too many sensible Federalists who stopped such talk.
Alexander Hamilton gave his life to stop that insanity. His efforts against Burr's election as NY governor were to prevent secession. The idea was that Burr would become governor and turn NY to the side of those desiring to split the Union. However, H's success in defeating him when it seemed a sure victory infuriated B to such an extent that he determined to kill him and challenged him to the duel.
NO...during the War of 1812, or shortly before, the New England States were considering secession because of the disruption of shipping, etc. Secession wasn't just a Southern idea.
"Secession wasn't just a Southern idea."
I realize that.
I agree that slavery was and is wrong, but you won't find a scripture that condemns it.
Gee, Major Anderson, maybe you and your Yankee Army should have skidaddled out of Ft. Sumter, when you were told to, and there wouldn't have been a NEED TO SHELL.
We were wrong, folks. The south was wrong morally. My ancestors died for the Confederacy also. My people were too poor to own slaves. They worked in the cotton fields with them.
I still believe that the south is the greatest region of our country, but we have to admit our mistakes. The Civil War was a big one. Slavery is indefensible. So is segregation. We kept that going a hundred years after the Civil War. We have no excuse, folks. Long winded defenses of our position of one hundred fifty years ago won't cut it. Be it because of stubbornness, ignorance, pride, or fear, we blew it. All the historic things that happened that we abhor so much: Sherman, the Radical Republicans, rule by former slaves and the resulting violence against our people, the ransacking and poverty of our region, all stem from that blasted war. We lost and we were wrong.
But there are people on these threads that bash and hate us to build themselves up. They didn't fight that war or spend an ounce of blood for it. It is historic to them as to us. I am still proud to be a southerner. Those here on FR that hate us so much had better realize that without the south, you and all you care for is finished. The liberal socialists would chew you up and spit you out. Only because of us have you won the last two elections. You owe us gratitude, rather than hate, not for 1860-65, but for your present and future. Try having an election today without the south and the US will be Canada.
The "wonderful" north is red today. Only in the south do you find the white and blue also.
As of Dec, 1860, the Fort was property of South Carolina.
"Gee, Major Anderson, maybe you and your Yankee Army should have skidaddled out of Ft. Sumter, when you were told to, and there wouldn't have been a NEED TO SHELL."
I take it that you believe your property rights to be conditional upon the whim of your neighbors--i.e., if they have enough firepower, you no longer own your property, they do.
John Brown was HANGED by the Commonwealth of Virginia.
And he was a major reason the South felt compelled to secede. Northern interference in matters that weren't their business.
"As of Dec, 1860, the Fort was property of South Carolina."
They had a bill of sale from the Federal government?
AMEN!
NO...they had a paper that said they had seceded from the Union.
No..I believe in the Sovereign rights of States. And in the right of secession. Once South Carolina left the Union, the Fort became their property.
"No..I believe in the Sovereign rights of States."
That would make sense if the Preamble of the Constitution said "We the States."
It is your logic that doesn't make sense.
Read the 10th Amendment. The whole concept is fairly simple: The states give a PORTION of their sovereign power to the National Government. ONLY those powers that are spelled out. The rest they reserve to themselves. If the Government abuses those rights, a state may take back that ower.
Read John C. Calhoun, the man was a genius.
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