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To: Spiff

you know, this just illustrates how the word "traitor" is being thrown around here WAYYYYY to loosely these days.

If any RINO does not fit the word "traitor", it is John McCain.

Not that I agree with him on just about ANYTHING, but I will not call him a traitor, especially after his experiences in Vietnam.

I will call him a media hound, Dean Jr., the mad squirrel, but not traitor.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 11:54:12 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (10,000 posts by 29 June!!! 9,914 or so replies and counting....Getting Closer!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

What ever respect and honor due the speech 'god' he himself is responsible for .issing it down the drain. POW or not this guy is out for himself and nothing else.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 11:56:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MikeinIraq

You can betray your political party without being a traitor to your country.


10 posted on 06/12/2005 11:58:06 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: MikeinIraq
I am sure that the word "traitor" in this context means a traitor to the republican party, the conservative ideals, and his republican constituents who originally elected him.

Not to the US.

And I have reluctantly come to agree with that assessment.
17 posted on 06/12/2005 12:01:18 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: MikeinIraq

While I agree that he served this country honorably, and that his experience in Viet Nam was horrendous--none of that gives him the right to write unconstitutional legislation. The fact that way too many Republicans voted for his bill, IMHO, makes the whole bunch of them traitorous to the Constitution of the United States of America.


19 posted on 06/12/2005 12:02:21 PM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: MikeinIraq

I'm with you Mike. I have many bad things to call and say about McPain but traitor is not and never will be one of them.


22 posted on 06/12/2005 12:04:13 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MikeinIraq
Nobody said here that he was a "traitor" to the United States (although I've heard that charge made in the past with supporting materials). He is, however, a traitor the party, to the party platform, to the principles of the Constitution (see CFR), to the state of Arizona, and to conservatives.

His experiences in Vietnam have been strongly questioned by some of the people who were there despite what the made-for-TV movie showed. His terrible treatment of the families of MIAs has gone far to undermine any Vietnam war "hero" status he may have held at one time. He reminds me of Kerry in the way he carried around a whole "I was in Vietnam!" display, including cardboard cutouts of him in uniform, during his last presidential bid. His exploitation of his Vietnam "experience" is certainly Kerry-esque, in my opinion. If he does decide to run, I hope we see a whole new "Swift Boat Veterans" kind of thing emerge to knock him down just as they knocked down Kerry. And rightfully so.

26 posted on 06/12/2005 12:06:29 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: MikeinIraq
There is a compelling "traitor" argument to be made against someone who takes an oath to the Constitution then breaks it by infringing on the first ammenemdment and also for one in such a position of Federal power to actively advocate legitimizing an invasion of the country he has vowed to protect.

John McAin sure was a hero and a patriot in Vietnam just like Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in one game in High School.

42 posted on 06/12/2005 12:16:59 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (God Bless.)
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To: MikeinIraq

I agree. He is not a traitor. Political hack, maybe. Traitor, absolutely not.


49 posted on 06/12/2005 12:20:23 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

Benedict Arnold was at one time an American hero & Patriot, wounded in battle while an officer in the Continental Army.

People change!

Military service does not guarantee patriotism, nor does it give anyone a free pass from scrutiny for life.


70 posted on 06/12/2005 12:44:54 PM PDT by Mister Da (When the police arrive, make sure only one story is told - yours!)
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To: MikeinIraq

John McLame's service in Viet Nam is commendable, but NOT a license for a free reign in perpetuity. Timothy Mc Veigh (on a lower magnitude) also served in the military and was honorably discharged. That service did not give him carte blanche for his future actions. As a member of the Republican Party which has worked for decades to gain majorities in both houses of Congress, McLame is AWOL on supporting the principal goals of the Republican Party!


80 posted on 06/12/2005 1:27:23 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: MikeinIraq

How about "Traitor" to his party? The word "traitor" may still fit even if it's not "traitor to his country". I'm a conservative Republican and I say he was a traitor to me. And, unlike you I wouldn't say "media hound" but "media whore".


89 posted on 06/12/2005 2:50:19 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Past meritorious service does not excuse present behavior. Benedict Arnold was a great American general.

To give a more recent example: John Glenn is a thief and a traitor for stealing a seat on the shuttle at the taxpayers' expense. I don't care what he's done in the past--he is a traitor to his country for taking from her what is not his.

McCain, however, is a weasel and a traitor to his PARTY. I don't care about McCain's service, which is irrelevant there. He's stabbed the GOP in the back and cares not a whit about principle. And while I haven't called him a traitor to his country, given the choice between a free country and expanding his own political power, it's hard to imagine he'd choose the former given his recent votes to restrict freedom. And some folks would certainly view that as anti-American.


97 posted on 06/12/2005 4:56:55 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: MikeinIraq
you know, this just illustrates how the word "traitor" is being thrown around here WAYYYYY to loosely these days.

I agree. McCain is not a traitor, he's a Democrate.

105 posted on 06/13/2005 11:14:17 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: MikeinIraq
you know, this just illustrates how the word "traitor" is being thrown around here WAYYYYY to loosely these days.

I agree. McCain is not a traitor, he's a Democrate.

106 posted on 06/13/2005 11:15:15 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: MikeinIraq
Not that I agree with him on just about ANYTHING, but I will not call him a traitor, especially after his experiences in Vietnam.

Where does it say anything about McCain as a traitor? A traitor to conservatives, yes.

107 posted on 06/13/2005 1:33:53 PM PDT by raybbr
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