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House Judiciary Chairman Walks Out of Heated Hearing
Associated Press ^ | June 11, 2005

Posted on 06/12/2005 7:23:05 AM PDT by kingattax

WASHINGTON — The Republican House Judiciary Committee chairman walked off with the gavel Friday, leaving Democrats shouting into turned-off microphones at a raucous hearing on the Patriot Act.

The hearing, with the two sides accusing each other of being irresponsible and undemocratic, came as President Bush was urging Congress to renew the sections of the post-Sept. 11 counter-terrorism law set to expire in September.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), chairman of the panel, abruptly gaveled the meeting to an end and walked out, followed by other Republicans. Sensenbrenner said that much of the testimony, which veered into debate over the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was irrelevant.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) protested, raising his voice as his microphone went off, came back on, and went off again.

"We are not besmirching the honor of the United States; we are trying to uphold it," he said.

Democrats had asked for the hearing, the 11th the committee has held on the act since April, saying past hearings had been too slanted toward witnesses who supported the law. The four witnesses were from groups, including Amnesty International USA and the American Immigration Lawyers Assn., that had questioned the constitutionality of some aspects of the act, which allows law enforcement greater authority to investigate suspected terrorists.

Nadler said Sensenbrenner, an author of the Patriot Act, was "rather rude, cutting everybody off in midsentence with an attitude of total hostility."

Tempers flared when Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) accused Amnesty International of endangering the lives of Americans in uniform by calling the prison at Guantanamo Bay a "gulag." Sensenbrenner didn't allow the Amnesty representative, Chip Pitts, to respond until Nadler raised a "point of decency."

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.)

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; jerroldwaddler; judiciarycommittee; patriotact; sensenbrenner
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1 posted on 06/12/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
Maybe this isn't exactly the thread for me to be saying this, but I'll say it anyway. Bush is way out bounds in demanding that the Patriot Act be made permanent. What grave threat to our national security is going to come from allowing it to be debated every three years?

Hell, Congress is constitutionally required to renew the Army's funding every two years at least, but that doesn't seem to have hurt us any.

2 posted on 06/12/2005 7:29:41 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: kingattax

...wondering why the definitions of sedition and treason are so trivial nowadays.


3 posted on 06/12/2005 7:30:54 AM PDT by lormand (George W. Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.)
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To: inquest

Also looming large on Bush's radar is one hemisphere, free trade, freely travel anywhere from the Great White North to whatever that Horn is at the base of South America. And down the line, even more globalization. This would mean we'd have to have some kind of protection from terrorists with happy feet and suitcase bombs heading across our non-existent borders. That's the rationale, if one can call it that.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 7:36:21 AM PDT by hershey
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To: inquest
Bush is way out bounds in demanding that the Patriot Act be made permanent.

Way out of bounds or not, it is politically stupid.

Many Republicans are questioning the Patriot Act. They will not "crawl across broken glass" to vote for the party that makes it permanent.

5 posted on 06/12/2005 7:46:10 AM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: lormand
...wondering why the definitions of sedition and treason are so trivial nowadays.

Straighten up, citizen!

Statements like that are in themselves seditious.

6 posted on 06/12/2005 7:47:10 AM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: hershey

One could, but it looks more like they will use it to keep us quiet.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 7:48:13 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Just because they have't abused it yet, doesn't mean they won't.)
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To: kingattax

more americans have their civil rights violations trampled at traffic stops, including being tasered, then the Patriot Act is resulting in. The Lodi arrests should tell us what is going on in our own country, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 7:53:43 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: inquest

GWB could be exaggerating his demands to head off the weakening or killing of the Patriot Act that the left would like to achieve.


9 posted on 06/12/2005 8:00:18 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Let's Roll
I'm not particularly interested in what he "could be" doing. All I know is what he's actually saying, and it's out of line.
10 posted on 06/12/2005 8:02:12 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: kingattax
Tempers flared when Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) accused Amnesty International of endangering the lives of Americans in uniform by calling the prison at Guantanamo Bay a "gulag." Sensenbrenner didn't allow the Amnesty representative, Chip Pitts, to respond until Nadler raised a "point of decency."

As if the DIMS would know anything about that!

11 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:47 AM PDT by infocats
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To: inquest
What grave threat to our national security is going to come from allowing it to be debated every three years?

It is precisely because of the Patriot Act that “grave threats to our national security” have not come to fruition.

12 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:35 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
Assuming that's even true, what's the security threat in allowing it to be debated? If it's such a great thing, then you shouldn't have any trouble convincing your fellow citizens that it should be renewed, each time.
13 posted on 06/12/2005 8:06:09 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

Now there's a small requirement contained in the Constitution that I didn't anyone else besides myself was aware of.


14 posted on 06/12/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: inquest

"Bush is way out bounds in demanding that the Patriot Act be made permanent."

Right on the mark inquest. Making something like the Patriot Act permanent will never fly with alot of people. Just becuase I voted for him does not mean I will support aa half-assed idea like that.


15 posted on 06/12/2005 8:13:45 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: kingattax
I'll go along with President Bush on making the Patriot Act permanent, when HE begins to fully discharge his Oath of Office by SECURING OUR DAMN SOUTHERN BORDER.

When ordinary American citizens have to form groups like the Minutemen JUST TO INSURE THAT OUR OWN LAWS ARE ENFORCED, there is something drastically and terribly wrong with our governments, federal, state AND local.
16 posted on 06/12/2005 8:28:28 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: infocats

You have to remember: Who put Japanese into Internment Camps? Republicans? NO-they were the despised party of Herbert Hoover, that evil, greedy Republican.
Oh Yeah.. it was Franklin Democrat Roosevelt.


18 posted on 06/12/2005 8:29:33 AM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: birdiedog

Cry me a river. What actually was going was yet another off-topic and partisan (and baseless) attack on the administration and Sensenbrenner did the right thing by putting a stop to it.

How pathetic that Nadler tries to insert a lame echo of the infamous "have you no decency, sir" query from the McCarthy hearings.


19 posted on 06/12/2005 8:35:54 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: commonasdirt

Would you please tell us what part(s) of the Patriot Act you find objectionable?


20 posted on 06/12/2005 8:40:00 AM PDT by gaspar
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