[TASMANIANRED]

I used to be pro-choice. I was young, had a good grasp of the human sciences. I was willing to buy that the unborn were relatively under developed, nobody ever put any effort into teaching otherwise.

I changed my mind in one night. I was working as a secretary for a med/surg unit in a hospital.

Labor and delivery was packed to the gills. Had a lady come into er she was in labor with a 5month old dead baby.

We delivered her on my unit. I had to wrap the baby for photographs and take it to lab.

5 Months old about 16 ounces. Perfect down to eyelashes and fingernails.

20 weeks, not viable but it is a human baby not a collection of tissues.

[MHGinTN]

It might surprise you how many medical professions are taken aback when I explain that the embryo builds his or her first organ for survival adapted to a water-world, and discards it upon birth. They have never though of the placenta as something the new human makes for personal survival, just as the body of organs a baby is born with are a embryo-constructed collection for survival in the air world.