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To: Vicomte13

And France SURRENDERED. Stop rewrting history, it is very stupid to rewrite such obvious facts and history.


133 posted on 06/12/2005 1:59:27 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas
"And France SURRENDERED. Stop rewrting history, it is very stupid to rewrite such obvious facts and history."

As would clearly appear from reading the whole thread, nobody's rewriting history. France surrendered on June 1940, after her armies were utterly defeated by the German panzers.

And while you seem fond of racial factors to explain this historical event (hence the "cowardly Gallic race" you referred to in a manner very reminiscent of the 1930s),I offered more serious explanations, which are based on factual history books instead of some bizarre "superior races vs inferior races" theory which would sound better in 1930 Germany than in 2005 America.

As Vicomte 13 stated, the young American Army, in its first encounters with the Axis war machine, didn`t fare any better at Kasserine Pass or in the Philippines. That's a historical fact, which must not make us forget individual acts of heroism and the overall valor and bravery of the US soldiers...
136 posted on 06/12/2005 2:09:54 PM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: jveritas

"And France SURRENDERED. Stop rewrting history, it is very stupid to rewrite such obvious facts and history."

There is no rewrite of history going on.

France was divided. The Parliament did indeed surrender, and Marechal Petain became the leader of Vichy France. His stated purpose was "Eviter le pire" - to avoid the worst - he wanted to keep France from being completely dissolved into Germany. He did not, however, allow his regime to declare war on the Allies. The French government surrendered, but did not change sides.

And although the French government surrendered, the French did not all surrender. There was De Gaulle and the Free French, 400,000 of them under arms in Eisenhower's army by D-Day. This is also part of the historical record.

That 50,000 Allied airmen shot down over Europe were spirited through France by the Underground, back to allied territory to fight again, this was an immense contribution to the Allied war effort by those French who did not capitulate to the Germans.

People are not so simpleminded as you seem to think.
The French government surrendered. So what? Many, many French people rejected that act of their government and continued to resist the enemy. The American President Eisenhower recognized their contributions and did not denigrate them. You want to because of what has transpired since then. You are angry at modern France and are pretending that the entire French nation was your enemy in World War II. Eisenhower certainly did not think so, and neither did the great Churchill.
You are attempting to rewrite history to coincide with your current passions and your anti-French animus, but it does not work.


146 posted on 06/13/2005 6:39:12 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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