Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right
When I write my quarterly tax check, I make it out to the "United States Treasury". Does that also mean that the IRS doesn't exist?
Sorry, doesn't fly. IRS is charged with the administration of the current tax income/payroll tax system and a number of other specific excises and the name on your check is irrelavent to the functions of that organization.
Under HR25, that administrative agency is defunded, and dismanteled Nothing left of it.
In its place doing the function of administrating the NRST, are the state sale tax administrators.
Merely the office of Treasury remains to receive the remittences of NRST collections made by state tax administrators is what is left for them to pay their collections to.
That's all there is for states that administer the NRST as part of the state sales tax administration to send checks to.
But you may continue to beat a dead horse to death if you wish.
You're obsessed with this, and have chosen to remain blind to what is going on elsewhere, and how all revenue legislation is 'implemented' now. Agencies will enact implementing proceedures and regulations, just as the IRS does now. Stop dreaming, and get informed. This 'consumption tax' is more than a consumption tax.
Get Tom Sowell's book on basic economics.
Try to get a revenue neutral taxbase replacing all income and payroll taxes out of import tariffs alone.
I guarantee you end up with zero revenues.
I have to wonder if you've even read the bill, or understand at all what it is that the vast bulk of tax reformers support.
This 'consumption tax' is more than a consumption tax.
What, pray tell, do you mean by that?
I'm starting to wonder if you're not more than a bit paranoid.
I'm not going to let tin-foil fears about what might happen down the road, things that aren't even in the proposed legislation, to stop me from trying to end this communist-inspired system we have now.
Dude, the stated goal of the NRST is to weaken the federal government. To "starve the beast" as they say.
If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission.
... the one way to reign in the federal government is to starve it.
It may not be too weak now. But that is what the NRST folks want for the future.
Dude, the stated goal of the NRST is to weaken the federal government. To "starve the beast" as they say
If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission. .
Hmm, lookin at that link I find the stated goal of JPFO doing a hit piece on the FairTax legislation. They state that there position on taxes:
"Here's our alternative: Nothing.
Ban the income tax, definitely. Banish it. Disband the Internal Revenue Service and auction their buildings to the highest bidder. Let all the IRS auditors, clerks, and armed enforcers get honest jobs. But don't replace the income tax with any tax, of any variety. "
*** snip ***
If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission. Ban the income tax. Trash the unFairTax. And put the government back on a leash.
... the one way to reign in the federal government is to starve it.
And an irrelavant post of some crankcase on a blog?
It may not be too weak now. But that is what the NRST folks want for the future.
That is really pitiful. You could have at least tried to find a posting that was from a fairtax supporter could you not?
Man you have gone beyond the pale, a total fruitcake, what are you smoking in that pipe?
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, eh...
It is not hyperbole to compare the income tax with a terminal illness. However, to compare the income tax to a pesky toothache is indeed hyperbole.
Are you really going to defend the current system? I didn't think anyone would really try to do that.
AW: Which is total crap, unless he remits sales tax on his gross receipts which he will not.
No, one pays his tax burden at purchase for retail consumption, not when he sells something. If your incorrect statement were true, only business would pay tax- none do so - they collect tax from the buyer - it is the buyer who pays the tax, just like today.
This is really simple. The nrst will collect an drug dealer's full tax burden, our income tax doesn't. The nrst will collect the maximum marginal rate form illegals, our income tax doesn't.
Although this is only a tiny issue - that the nrst does a better job collecting taxes from the drug dealer. The big ideas are eliminating withholding, making everyone pay the same rate - increasing resistance to taxes, and making the taxes visible so that every single voter and consumer feels the pain of the gov't daily by pulling $10s and $20s out of his pocket every day to pay tax.
good pt - he may not have much (if any) legal income for SS benefits, yet he'll pay his full share of taxes.
Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.
wages (not income) will be reported to ssn to determine benefits - of course, if you don't report - and i dunno if it's req'd, you'd obviously wouldn't get as much ss at retirement as if you'd reported...
Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.
Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.
they pretend not to see this. silly eh?
That's fine, I just don't like the dishonesty. If workers get to pocket the tax savings, that money will not be there to reduce the cost of goods. Fair Taxes always claim that your take home pay will go up AND prices will not go up. If they want to sell their tax plan on the freedom, then say that. But they sell it as some magical wonder drug that increases growth, increases take home pay, lowers inflation, lowers interest rates, increase savings, increase revenues. According to them, every aspect of our economy will take off just because we place a 30% sales tax on all goods and services. It is just dishonest and many people are buying into the dishonesty.
Earnings must still be reported to the Social Security Administration, and many states may decide to keep the income tax in lieu of adding 7-10% to the federal sales tax.
What, pray tell, do you mean by that?
A tax on services is a tax on labor.
Except for the $23,000 he illegally does not remit in sales tax from his $100,000 in drug sales. How can you keep ignoring that? And besides, he doesn't report SS income today, so again you tout a benefit that is non-existant.
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