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To: shotokan
It's clear to me that you know much more about law enforcement,than I could ever hope to know. Thank you.

Well, I must say, that's a very impressive resume. And I can assure you I am not trying to compete with your law enforcement expertise. No need to get angry here.

My only point was assigning 300 ATF investigators to investigate a biker group with less members in the area than investigators doing the investigating seems to be a bit over done.

300 investigators seems like overkill to me considering they only generated arrest and search warrants for 20 members of the biker club.

Even the one charge of kidnapping was from way back in May of 2003.

And the only assault mentioned was one, involving a knife.

As far the wit intimidation and the victim allegedly finding four live bullets on the roof of their car, well this wouldn't be much of an investigation unless there was a witness or informant stating who do it.

Ten counts of the indictment relate to alleged dealing in marijuana and methamphetamine

Again, there was nothing about manufacturing meth here in the article, only dealing or selling it. These are pretty common charges, and not too complex to prosecute with evidence.

My only point and opinion was using 300 investigators, to investigate maybe 100 or 200 bikers seems to be a bit of an over kill.

You indicated this investigation may have taken "years". With 300 investigators, making about 45k a year, this investigation lasting only 2 years would have cost approximately $27,000,000.00. Seems a bit costly to me.

I didn't mean to insinuate that you weren't a expert in law enforcement procedures and operations, I was just making an observation based on the article.

Thanks.

35 posted on 06/10/2005 2:38:44 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Black Tooth

And how many of the “Bikers” are with the “Alphabet soup” gang?


37 posted on 06/10/2005 2:53:23 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Black Tooth

Sure, just lay a guilt trip on me 8>) You're right. No reason to get angry. Rule of thumb with MC gangs is: first thought "meth production." I'm not an expert on MCs but I've been around enough cooks to know who is calling the shots. This was a big investigation. I would expect your garden variety MSM reporters head to explode if he tried to accurately report everything involved here.


38 posted on 06/10/2005 3:01:53 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Mullah al-Whipple says,"Don't squeeze the Koran." Safe for septic systems.)
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To: Black Tooth

Man, if you think that was excessive, you don't even want to how many federal agents investigated John Gotti, and he was just one guy.


42 posted on 06/10/2005 3:17:41 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Black Tooth
You indicated this investigation may have taken "years". With 300 investigators, making about 45k a year, this investigation lasting only 2 years would have cost approximately $27,000,000.00. Seems a bit costly to me.

Ooops almost forgot to answer that one fer ya. This wouldn't be the sole investigation for these agents. These agents are all working a case load. This deal was probably an interuption for some agents who were brought in to assist with warrant service and without a breakdown of who did what, and salaries plus other expenses, it may have cost more than the number you quoted (or less.) They may have even included the new guy who went to Starbucks on the coffee run. It seems the Feds move their agents around a lot on details. When Kerry was on the road campaigning in our town, I was very surprised to see ICE agents on part of the security team.

46 posted on 06/10/2005 3:52:20 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Mullah al-Whipple says,"Don't squeeze the Koran." Safe for septic systems.)
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