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Mr. Bush, meet Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina
Jihad Watch ^ | June 8, 2005 | Robert Fitzgerald

Posted on 06/08/2005 12:29:20 PM PDT by robowombat

The problem continues as long as the idea that this is a "war" that "can be won" continues. This is a war, a continuous war. It has no end. "Winning" does not exist. Islam will not disappear. What one can do is to make it less attractive, both to those likely pockets -- as easily identifiable by Infidels as they have been identified by the Da'wa bearers of Islam -- of psychically and economically marginal populations in the Infidel lands, and to those born into Islam itself.

We need not send more troops -- in fact, it would be altogether more useful to remove our troops from Iraq, which is a colossal misallocation (not before, not in 2003, not in 2004, but NOW) of resources, of men, of materiel, of money, of military morale. The long-term damage being done to the citizen-soldiers and to the professional army is considerable, and this at a time when we need to keep morale high for a much longer and more sustained effort.

That damage is increased by the obstinacy with which some continue to identify with the original plan: their "intelligence failure" is over not WMD but of the nature and menace of Islam. That menace is rooted in its texts. Has anyone in the Pentagon other than Bernard Lewis's acolytes read those texts, or considered that Lewis himself, a supporter first of Oslo, and now someone who cannot admit how wrong he was about the nature of Iraq, Iraqi society, and even about Islam?

Lewis’ under-appreciation, to put it mildly, of Bat Ye'or and Ibn Warraq, and his susceptibility to Turkish flattery, has helped to prevent him from seeing that the vaunted Kemalism is temporary, while Islam is permanent, and Islam is not something that "went wrong" but that has always been wrong, and has been held in check in recent centuries only through the fact of its own weakness.

Still more disturbing is this:

"Another change being discussed in an ongoing interagency review by the Pentagon, State Department, CIA and White House National Security Council is a strategy that emphasizes this is a war that targets Islamic extremism, not Islam itself."

But it is "Islam itself" that is a threat, in Europe as well as in Asia, indeed everywhere -- if you are an Infidel. It cannot be said by those in government, though it can, with increasing force, by others: think of what Oriana Fallaci has accomplished by giving voice to what so many think in Italy. But the fact that we need not say that this is a war in which Islam is the menace does not mean that we need not take note of harsh realities.

For nobody knows when and under what circumstances any "moderate" Muslim may metamorphose into an "extremist." Nobody, in any case, can provide a definition of "mainstream" or supposedly "moderate" Islam that would allay our fears. There is no such definition, or rather, in the end that definition amounts to a Muslim who does not believe in what is written in the Qur'an, the Hadith, and Sira. That is to say -- a non-Muslim Muslim. The refusal to analyze to the bottom of things is astonishing. The laziness, the fear of what might be discovered, is killing us.

Everything must start with words, with the way in which the conflict is presented. For obvious reasons, government officials cannot talk about "Islam" tout court. They need to find a way to discuss it -- a way that will express much, if not all, of what needs to be stated both to the Western populations. Those populations are partly ignorant, partly confused, and certainly full of unease as to how things are confusedly being presented. Officials need to find a way to signal to Muslims that we understand the problem is not a "handful of extremists" and not "Wahhabists." And we need as well to use a language that will give heart to those in Europe -- and there are tens of millions -- who are disgusted with the foreign policies of their own countries and of the E.U., and who feel -- far more keenly than we do -- the menace of Islam. The American presence in Iraq is seen by such people not as a crime, but as a blunder. They are wrong in part: the initial invasion was not a crime nor a blunder. But remaining in Iraq is a blunder born of criminal negligence of Islam, its theory and practice.

What language should be employed by our rulers, whose duty it is to protect and instruct us? Begin with the word "Jihad." Talk about the "ideology of Jihad." Talk about a "war of self-defense against the Jihad." Talk about "the Jihad" -- the struggle to spread Islam throughout the world, and to conquer lands for Islam -- is not central to Islam. Pretend, if you will, that Islam is not what it is, in order to say, better than has been said to date, what it is.

Assure everyone that "of course most Muslims do not believe in Jihad." Of course they do. But what will those smiling and plausible people do? Some will tell the truth: Bin Laden tells far more of the truth about Islam, and so does Al-Qaradawi. Khomeini was a truth-teller about Islam. His spirit informed more of Islamic history in Iran than did that sport, the short-lived father-and-son Pahlevi dynasty, though even "nice" Iranians of the "Reading-Lolita-in-Tehran" sort will not admit it to themselves -- or may not even know it, so uninformed are they about the mistreatment of non-Muslims in Iran over the past thousand years.

They might begin by studying Mary Boyce on Zoroastrians, or Lawrence Loeb on modern Iranian Jews, or going back to the Armenian chronicle of Arakel of Tabriz under Shah Abbas.

Stop talking altogether about "handfuls of extremists." Indeed, stop the misleading and dangerous use of such terms as "extremist" and "moderate." Cease to transfer any Infidel wealth to Muslim nations and polities -- Egypt, Jordan, the "Palestinian" Authority. Let them find their support from rich Arabs, or not find such support. If the former, then some of that discretionary income that the rich Arabs use to fund mosques and madrasas around the world will be soaked up -- and soaking up that money, until it can be significantly diminished by an intelligent energy policy, is what Infidels need to do. And if the latter, if the rich Arabs refuse to pay Egypt, Jordan, the "Palestine"

Authority and so on, the result will also be salutary -- a growing resentment among the poor Arabs against the rich Arabs, with all that might result from that. Have we forgotten that before there was the highly desirable (from the Infidel point of view) Iran-Iraq War, there was, in the Yemen, in the early 1960s, a war between two Yemeni factions, the so-called "Royalists" backed by Saudi Arabia (I once roomed briefly in Madrid with a louche Belgian who had run guns to those Royalists; a most amoral and disgusting person) and the leftists backed by Egyptian troops supplied by Nasser. That bloodletting between leftist Egypt and rightist Saudi Arabia should, from the Infidel point of view, have gone on forever.

It is said that this Administration is "tough" and "calculating." Nonsense. It is not nearly tough or calculating or realpolitik enough. It may begin to be only when its leaders have taken the full measure of Islam and its theory. It is not hard to read Qur'an, Hadith and Sira -- what is hard is to understand just how these texts pervade the lives of Muslims, and color attitudes even of those who never go to mosques and are scarcely observant; there is a failure to understand just how unusually penetrating Islam can be, how it supplies not just a religious faith, but a complete and coherent and, for Infidels, threatening system. A failure of imaginative sympathy, that is a failure to understand how this operates, can be remedied if only, instead of apologists or semi-apologists of Islam, one listens to the "defectors" from Islam as one once would have listened to defectors from the Soviet Union. It is really no different.

When Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina have their private meetings with Bush and Rumsfeld, we will know that we are getting somewhere.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ibnwarraq

1 posted on 06/08/2005 12:29:20 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Rationalizing Islam is a huge mistake.


2 posted on 06/08/2005 12:31:22 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: robowombat

Rubbish


3 posted on 06/08/2005 12:40:06 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: robowombat; EagleUSA
We need not send more troops -- in fact, it would be altogether more useful to remove our troops from Iraq, which is a colossal misallocation (not before, not in 2003, not in 2004, but NOW) of resources, of men, of materiel, of money, of military morale. The long-term damage being done to the citizen-soldiers and to the professional army is considerable, and this at a time when we need to keep morale high for a much longer and more sustained effort.

I agree completely. Christian American soldiers are fish out of water in a counterinsurgency battle with Sunni jehadis pouring in by the thousands from all over the Middle East and now Europe. They are in their home element. We are the sitting ducks.

They will not be beaten by an American-style conventional army. They can and will be beaten by Shiite and Kurdish militias who know how to do what is necessary and who to do it to.

4 posted on 06/08/2005 12:44:03 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: robowombat

The author makes some good points. People are not facing up to the reality of what we are up against. The Islamists know that this is yet another "holy war" but apparently the West isn't up for it yet - we have had political correctness too deeply ingrained into us and we don't want to offend anyone. Fact is that this is a battle over the heart and soul of Islam - whether it will be able to "modernize" and evolve into a form that can live side by side with other systems of beliefs or if it will continue down the path of the sword and blood that was apparently laid out by Mohammed himself. In light of modern weapons technology and proliferation of the same, this issue can no longer be put on the backburner. It needs to be addressed now and that is what all this is about. If we wait the pain will be much worse. In Iraq, we need to keep on the course of training Iraqis and starting sometime this year, decreasing troop levels and pulling troops into bases away from the cities were they can come to aid if Iraqi forces need help. We cannot fight their battle forever. If they are willing to take up the fight for their country then we should aid them. If they are unwilling or unable to do so then the country will fall into civil war in which case we should aid the Kurds and other than that assist the rest of the nutcases in killing each other off. A huge civil war in the ME between the Shiites and the Sunnis would probably not be a bad thing - if they're killing each other they won't be killing us and at the end of it they would probably be more open to reconsidering their relationship with the rest of the world. Of course, planting and sprouting the seed of democracy in Iraq would be preferable but if that doesn't work out, though I hope it will, there are alternatives that also work in our favor.


5 posted on 06/08/2005 1:59:09 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: Sam the Sham

So what are we supposed to do? Throw up the white flag!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 06/08/2005 2:21:25 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: mariabush
So what are we supposed to do? Throw up the white flag!!!!!!!!!

The American people have no intention of losing five men a day for the next 10 years. Or more. Recruitment rates are plummetting below maintenance levels and morale problems are accelerating. As the recent USA Today article makes clear, the strain of protracted tours of duty is making the "Dear John" letter the norm for soldiers there.

When what you are doing isn't working, basic common sense commands you to try something else. Stubbornness and bravado aren't enough. We have gone through quite a few false dawns over the past few years. The insurgency will die down after a constitution. The insurgency will die down after Saddam Hussein is captured. The insurgency will die down after Fallujah is taken. The insurgency will die down after the election...

7 posted on 06/08/2005 2:46:06 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham
Look! We are a military family. You are painting a much more bleak picture than is true. Yes, recruitment is down, but, we are not loosing five men a day. There are people that die in the military almost every day under normal circumstances.

For every Dear John letter sent, there are thousands of mates that are at home keeping the family going, and not even giving a thought as to leaving the marriage.

Deployments are tough, but now that we have E-mail, cell phones, etc. it is alot easier.



There have been no more attacks against our country and as long as we do not give up and quit there won't be.
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8 posted on 06/08/2005 3:19:58 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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