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Uninsured add $900 to health premiums-study (will be $1,500 in 5 years)
Reuters ^ | June 8, 2005 | Reuters

Posted on 06/08/2005 10:58:34 AM PDT by QQQQQ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Health insurance premiums will cost families and employers an extra $922 on average this year to cover the costs of caring for the uninsured, according to a report released on Wednesday. With the added cost, the yearly premiums for a family with coverage through an employer will average $10,979 in 2005, said the report from consumer group Families USA.

By 2010, the additional costs for the uninsured will be $1,502, and total premiums will hit $17,273. In 11 states, the costs of the uninsured will exceed $2,000 per family.

For individuals, the extra charge this year is estimated to be $341 on average, rising to $532 in 2010. Total premium charges for individuals will be $4,065 in 2005, and $6,115 in 2010.

"The stakes are high both for businesses and for workers who do have health insurance because they bear the brunt of costs for the uninsured," said Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA.

Nearly 48 million Americans will lack health insurance for 2005, the report said.

Uninsured patients pay about one-third of the costs of their care provided by doctors and hospitals, the report said.

The remaining costs -- more $43 billion in 2005 -- are considered "uncompensated care." The government picks up part of the tab and most of the rest is added to insurance premiums for people with health coverage, the report said.

"Ironically, this increases the cost of health insurance and results in fewer people who can afford insurance - a vicious circle," the report said.

The costs for people with insurance vary by state based on a number of variables, including the percentage of uninsured in a state and the amount local, state and federal governments contribute.

The report was based on data from the Census Bureau, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the National Center for Health Statistics and other sources.


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To: Seeking the truth

"Here's a unique concept. People pay for their own health insurance."

I agree! When people are forced to foot their own bills, they will be more prudent in their spending. In addition, they will shop for the best value for the least cost.

In addition to your idea, let's add tort reform. Doctors are in the position to over test in order to have documentation for litigation. This must be a major factor in the cost of health care.


41 posted on 06/08/2005 11:42:42 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: laurav
>>Basic things that need to happen for costs to come down:
>>1. More transparency in costs. Doctors, hospitals, etc. >>should publish exactly how much they charge for
>>everything.

Except for private practitioners who do not take insurance what is charged by doctors is academic. What is important is the reimbursement. Every medical procedure has a CPT code and the federal government and insurance companies set a reimbursement fee for each procedure. Typically insurance companies follow the governments lead and simply reimburse at some percentage of the governed rate, often lower.
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/providers/


>>2. More people should carry catastrophic insurance, not >>the kind that covers everything like well-patient visits >>and most prescriptions. The reason drug companies and >>doctors charge so much is that most people are not paying >>full freight-- so there's no price sensitivity. Insurance >>should cover low probability high cost events like >>hospital visits, not high-probability low-cost events >>like doctors visits.

The reason drug companies charge so much is they need to support research and development- getting a drug to market can easily run a company 500 million to 1 billion dollars with all the required trials, paperwork, R&D. They also advertise on TV now and that costs money and sell meds abroad at cut rate prices compared to the US because foreign governments give them no other choice.

Office visits are reimbursed at rates guided by the government, see the link above.

>>3. Malpractice reform. It's not as big a part of the cost >>structure as many people think, but it's there, and adds >>to costs by more tests.

A relatively minor component at least in my practice.

>>4. More doctors -- the AMA artificially holds the numbers >>low to keep salaries up. We need more medical schools and >>residency slots.

Its a bit more complicated than just that- medical schools are a money loser for universities (law schools are a money maker). Medical students choose career paths for many reasons but for many reimbursement is key. More popular (and often better compensated) areas of medicine include orthopedics, ENT, CV surgery, Cardiology. Less popular areas of medicine include psychiatry, pediatrics and compensation is historically lousy in these fields.

>>5. More nurses/physicians assistants/nurse practitioners >>doing more things doctors used to do. Also pharmacists. >>All these people can diagnose most ailments, so there's >>no need for people to see a doctor for a sinus infection.

Good for garden variety stuff but these folks can get in over their heads for the rarer stuff that pops in now and then. They need to know when to refer on and many don't.
43 posted on 06/08/2005 11:43:55 AM PDT by NYorkerInHouston
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To: skip_intro
I do not have health insurance, and I am not a deadbeat.
If I should have to go to doctor I negotiate the fee and then pay out of my own pocket.
44 posted on 06/08/2005 11:43:57 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: redlocks322
Your post points out the need for National Food Program and maybe a National Shelter Program. It is a valid claim that while many people go for long periods without visiting a doctor, every person requires food and shelter daily. It is an essential requirement of living.

There ought to be a guaranteed right to a nutritious balanced diet and a comfortable and safe home (with A/C and a couple of TV's - with cable, of course).

Sorry, but it's a never ending fight with the far left. There are no unmet needs that cannot be stoked into a crisis without a little help from the MSM and their silly skewed push polls. What runs up the costs of health care is third party payments for maintenance visits, well-care, dental cleanings and routine exams. As government becomes more involved in health care, the problems will become more dire and folks will pay ever more for less and less care.

45 posted on 06/08/2005 11:44:17 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: QQQQQ

The government has no authority to insure everyone or to require that everyone have insurance. Medical costs began their spiral upward in the era when Medicare started and insurance became near universal. As will inevitably happen, when people no longer paid for health care, they used the system more and more, pushing costs upwards. We would have been far better off with a pay as you go system, but that ship has sailed.

What now? 1) Send illegals back with only enough care to ensure that they survive, but deport every illegal who turns up in one of our hospitals. 2) Provide only minimal care to the uninsured. 3) Let people know the real cost, not the cost after insurance, of their health care. Let them know what they are paying for the uninsured. Let them know what they are paying for illegals.

Above all, we cannot become Canada.


46 posted on 06/08/2005 11:44:34 AM PDT by mak5
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To: QQQQQ
If only sick people buy insurance, in order for the insurance company to just break even, they have to charge as much in premium, as the actual cost, because they pay out huges sums for each person insured.

This is another thing forcing the cost up. Other than people covered through an employer, most of the others who pay for insurance do so because they really need it. So the risk isn't spread out across healthy and non-healthy populations like it would be if everyone had it.

LQ

47 posted on 06/08/2005 11:45:05 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: QQQQQ
You make arrangements to pay a large bill out monthly.

Sorry, but you do not have an argument~~~~~~~~~~~
49 posted on 06/08/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: hugoball
The bottom line as to why healthcare costs are so high, as in anything, is SUPPLY and DEMAND.

U.S. healthcare consumers demand more healthcare than other countries; especially during the last year (and especially the last month) of life. The access to supply is regulated by various means, but its full costs are not borne by consumers. This disconnect does not put the necessary downward pressure on prices, hence, increased costs.
50 posted on 06/08/2005 11:49:24 AM PDT by Dr. Free Market (Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.)
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To: mariabush
If I should have to go to doctor I negotiate the fee and then pay out of my own pocket.

I agree. If you pay, you're not a deadbeat.

Did I say something different?

52 posted on 06/08/2005 11:55:15 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: QQQQQ

Don't be gullible. We were told the same about auto insurance in California. We were told that insurance rates would go down if we passed the mandatory insurance law. We passed it. They lied. Insurance went up the instant it became law.
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54 posted on 06/08/2005 11:57:13 AM PDT by mugs99
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To: Dust in the Wind

If a family is making 18k or even 50k, I could see the family foregoing on health insurance and just staying healthy.

My definition of indentured servitude would be paying off your debt by working for the guy.


55 posted on 06/08/2005 11:58:51 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: Dr. Free Market; All

DH is 65, and I am 62. Income is declining. We have been gainfully self-employed since 1972. He is now starting to collect Social Security, but we have been advised to keep up our individual policies, which are "group" rates.

Our health insurance is now costing us close to $10,000 a year. Yet, some docs will not accept his more expensive policy.

What do we do?


57 posted on 06/08/2005 12:00:00 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: QQQQQ

Around 1900, America had charity hospitals, poor houses where the indigent and down-on-their-luck lived and industries for the blind and disabled. They were paid for by charitable contributions from local citizens.

I'd guess with all the regulations, high taxes and liberals, such institutions would be impossible today.


59 posted on 06/08/2005 12:10:11 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Marxism has not only failed to promote human freedom, it has failed to produce food)
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To: sf4dubya

......Typically, very few companies buy into that kind of age bracket plan for their employees for that very reason,....

Basically, I disagree with that assessment as:

Anytime an employer shops for health insurance, the potential carrier requires an employee "population analysis", and the ok of the current carrier to release the overall claim experience history of the current group. So, while the individuals in the plan don't pay differing premiums based on age, the company is assessed premium charges based on the employee/family population.

My recent employer recently went to a plan where the employer agrees to pick up the first $1,000 of annual employee/family medical bills, and once the family bills exceeded $1,000, the insurance company kicks in. The employer cut the annual premium per family by $1,300, and based on prior claim experience, the potential savings could be up to 60% of the old annual premium.

Significant!


60 posted on 06/08/2005 12:13:49 PM PDT by aShepard
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