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Teen Gets Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy
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Posted on 06/07/2005 6:46:13 AM PDT by iwannaknow07

19-Year-Old Stepped On Stomach While Girl Punched Self

LUFKIN, Texas -- A 19-year-old East Texas man faces a life prison sentence for causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry twins, even though she wanted to end the pregnancy. Gerardo Flores was accused of causing the miscarriage by stepping on his girlfriend's stomach. He was prosecuted under the state's new fetal protection law.

Erica Basoria acknowledged asking Flores to help end her pregnancy. But the 17-year-old can't be prosecuted because of her legal right to abortion.

The defense contended that Basoria punched herself while Flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who killed the twins.

The jury reached a verdict after deliberating four hours. Because prosecutors declined to seek the death penalty in the case, Flores received the automatic life sentence.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; domesticabuse; fetalhomicide; teenpregnancy
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To: zerosix

But I thought it's not a baby unless she wants it. Then it's a baby, unless she changes her mind, and then it's not a baby again. She has the right to punch, puncture, poison or parboil herself to kill the fetus, unless it's a baby, which is to say a human being, which it is unless one of the parents was of a different species. But they're not "parents" because there's no baby, there's just a couple of fetuses that look a whole lot like bloody dead babies. All of which shows the horror of illegal abortion, except this was legal. So the mother (who is not a mother) is just a poor desperate girl doing mindless destructive things, except she's exercising her sacred constitutional rights and thus she is a brave confident autonomous woman. Her boyfriend is a worm and an accomplice to a crime, except the girl is innocent so he is an accomplice to innocence.

I hope this is sufficiently clear.

This line of reasoning was brought to you by the supreme minds of the supreme men and women who comprise our Supreme Court. And the supreme produce of their supreme intellects: Roe vs Wade.


41 posted on 06/07/2005 11:15:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Abortion is the Solution to the Liberal Boy's Problem." Andrea Dworkin)
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To: Fido969
This case and the related facts have been well-publicized.

Not to me. I never heard of it. And, since I did not sit in and here any of the facts introduced as evidence, nor am I aware of the charges, and the facts needed to substantiate such charges under the applicable law, I just can't possibly comment.

42 posted on 06/07/2005 11:27:22 AM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: iwannaknow07

Now with this, it should open the door to prosecute doctors who perform abortions...one would logically conclude.


43 posted on 06/07/2005 11:29:39 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: iwannaknow07
More info from a few days back. June 4

LUFKIN – Testimony ended Friday afternoon in the landmark capital murder case against a Lufkin teenager charged with conspiring with his girlfriend to kill the couple's unborn twins.

Gerardo Flores, 19, did not testify on his own behalf. He showed little emotion through three days of trial, his composure the same at every court appearance since his arrest.

Flores in a taped statement to police admitted to stepping on then-16-year-old Erica Basoria's stomach several times the week before she miscarried the two boys at home on May 7, 2004. He punched Basoria during a fight hours before the premature delivery, he said.

The defense has alleged Basoria punched herself the same time Flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who killed the twins.

Under state law, a pregnant woman cannot be charged with killing her own fetuses.

Closing statements from both sides are scheduled to be made Monday, with the case going to the jury immediately afterward.

If Flores is convicted of capital murder, it means an automatic life sentence, with parole possible after 40 years.

44 posted on 06/07/2005 11:35:16 AM PDT by stupid1 (YES I AM)
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To: Iron Eagle
According to your theory - no one who is not actually present during the testimony can ever have an opinion on the outcome of a case.

Interesting theory. I'll bet the judiciary just love folks like you, because then they can rarely be criticized for clearly outrageous decisions.

Me, I have a little intelligence, common sense and some insight. And I am pretty comfortable calling this one for what it is.

Those who want to stick their head in the sand and say "I just don't know, there must have been a good reason for what happened..." are welcome to.

Just don't start screaming for help when it's YOU in the docket.
45 posted on 06/07/2005 12:35:28 PM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: ken21
what did she get?

Probably a pat on the back from abortion rights activists everywhere. I searched DU for their response to this... SICKENING. Most felt bad for the kid receiving a life sentence for helping a woman choose to terminate her "fetuses".

Because if it wasn't for the evil republicans tying such stigma to getting a safe baby murder, this NEVER would have happened. /sarcasm

46 posted on 06/07/2005 1:06:58 PM PDT by iwannaknow07
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To: Fido969
You are a bit reactionary -- are you not? All I am saying is that I have no idea what the facts are in this case. (Frankly, neither do many posters here.)

Yes -- it sounds bad based on the limited description provided. I agree, how could I not. But, sounding that bad makes an inquisitive mind want to know all the facts and circumstances.

As for theories -- I don't think I espoused one. Having said that, there is simply no question that a person surfing the web and reading postings about a case can almost never have the same knowledge of the facts and evidence, and law, as the jurors or fact-finders in a given case. That's not a theory -- that's reality.

As for being in the Docket. One is actually "on" the Docket. Having tried exceptionally large civil cases on civil litigation, having witnessed and clerked on virtually every type of domestic and criminal matter -- including death penalty cases, I too have some intelligence, common sense, and insight. That is why I like to know the facts, the evidence, the law, the charge, the standards, etc, before I comment too much on a post provides only a base description of a crime.

What were that actual charges? Who testified against him? What did he admit? What does the law say about protection of the unborn? What does the law say about aggravating factors? I have no idea -- but I can't tell you how crazy this case is without that information. To do so, I would merely be spouting an opinion based my own ignorance, and a gut reaction. There is nothing illegal about that -- but it does not make for very illuminating discussion.

That's my point.
47 posted on 06/07/2005 3:29:23 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: George from New England; wideawake; tuffydoodle; Dataman; Republican Wildcat; grellis; cyborg
I comment on this, fwiw, in Bedlam, USA: one act, one intent, two victims, two perpetrators, BUT....

Dan

48 posted on 06/07/2005 6:11:11 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

I wonder what the sentence is for practicing without a license?


49 posted on 06/07/2005 6:12:01 PM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: Iron Eagle
"You are a bit reactionary -- are you not?"

A reactionary? That's probably an understatement. I'm about two giant steps to the right of Attila the Hun.

And on the docket or in the dock I have NO confidence in the judicial system based on what I HAVE seen.

50 posted on 06/07/2005 6:15:01 PM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: Iron Eagle
"As for being in the Docket. One is actually "on" the Docket. Having tried exceptionally large civil cases on civil litigation, having witnessed and clerked on virtually every type of domestic and criminal matter -- including death penalty cases

Ah-ha! A lawyer! I should have known!

An APOLOGIST for the corrupt judiciary!

Lawyers can not see the forest for the trees. Despite cynical noises, they actually LOVE the law. They think it makes sense - and they think that they can win cases merely by studying the law - by having a better mastery of the law than the other fellow. When they win, it is because they are brilliant lawyers - but when they lose they grumble about the judge or the jury, blame fate - or the fact they forgot to put on their lucky socks.

They never see the bigger patterns that are painfully obvious to those of us watching from outside the system.

Gross gender bias - the promotion of homosexual marriage - while at the same time tearing down traditional marriage - jackpot justice for people who can't take personal responsibility - rights for criminals but not for victims.

That is the trend of the legal system today. It is abhorrent to fair-minded moral people.

But lawyers don't see that - they ponder the law, try to read into the decisions, and accept the final rulings of the appeal courts as great pronouncements of wisdom.

First.... we'll kill all the lawyers....

51 posted on 06/07/2005 6:25:23 PM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: editor-surveyor
They could have gotten an abortion for free in all likelihood.
Could an underage girl get an abortion without her parents' approval in the State of Texas? If she needed approval, did she fear her parents' reaction? Would her parents demand her boyfriend be be prosecuted for rape since she was underage? IMO, a girl that age could be under a lot of pressure causing her to make bad decisions like what resulted here.
52 posted on 06/07/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by firequarrel
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Supremes, who find rights not in the Constitution, create exceptions to those rights, when it suits them, but most importantly, rely on "international law", when it agrees with their personal bias.


53 posted on 06/07/2005 7:28:26 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: najida

Man, you and I are agreeing on everything today.


54 posted on 06/07/2005 7:35:17 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: BibChr

Great article and right on the money.


55 posted on 06/07/2005 7:37:33 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: BibChr
I don't know if you recall a rant of mine, not too long ago, from a thread titled "Attention Men: You Are Replaceable." Comment #91 (Federov's old Red Wings number). Whatever men can do, women can do better. We can commit murder without being held accountable by the American justice system.

When all is said and done, women won't escape justice. Not of the infinite variety, anyway.

56 posted on 06/08/2005 5:57:40 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: grellis

Characteristically well-said.

And such good spelling!

(c8


57 posted on 06/08/2005 6:02:57 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: iwannaknow07

I'd be for mandatory sterilization for the girl, at the least. You would never trust such a cruel person with the life of a defenseless child. These two should never be allowed to reproduce.


58 posted on 06/08/2005 6:05:48 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: BibChr
Oh yu!
59 posted on 06/08/2005 6:07:32 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: tuffydoodle

I live here where this case was tried. He took a baseball bat and killed the babies in-utero....complicitous with the mother. He go off light. Double homicide...could have gotten death.


60 posted on 06/08/2005 6:09:50 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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