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Bush consultant meets with McCain about presidential bid(2008)
The Mercury News ^ | 6-7-05 | Robert Hillman

Posted on 06/07/2005 5:22:03 AM PDT by Gipper08

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Mark McKinnon, the Austin political consultant who oversaw the advertising for President Bush in the 2000 and 2004 campaigns, has committed to help Sen. John McCain in a second presidential bid.

McKinnon - one of the president's closest friends and confidants and a frequent mountain biking companion - met with the Arizona Republican over lunch this spring in the Senate dining room to discuss his support, said a GOP activist familiar with the meeting.

At this point, McCain, who lost to Bush in a bitter 2000 Republican primary, is in the early but unmistakable stages of laying the groundwork for another campaign. And McKinnon has indicated he would review his options, should Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice or the president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, run in 2008.

The White House has sent word that Jeb Bush should be taken at his word, that he will not run. Rice, just four months into her new job, is not expected to seek the presidency, though some top Republicans have suggested she might be considered for vice president.

McKinnon, vice chairman of the Austin-based consulting firm Public Strategies Inc., said on Monday he's had "friendly conversations with Senator McCain" but would not discuss his commitment.

"I like the senator a lot, but it is too early to speculate on his intentions, as he has said himself, not to mention mine," McKinnon said in an e-mailed statement. "My political focus right now is on a successful second-term agenda for President Bush."

McCain's political strategist, John Weaver, said the senator is heartened by those "encouraging him to run," but that he has not yet decided whether he will.

"He's not out organizing," Weaver said, "and he's instructed us not to do that, either....."

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(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008elections; cfr; enemyof1stammendment; mccain; mccain2008; traitor
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To: sittnick

What about Mrs. Black Elk? Let's not be too rigid here.


141 posted on 06/07/2005 9:10:13 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sittnick; ninenot; Petronski

As the Demonrats well know, this picture cannot be posted too often. Our job, as conservatives, is to post this picture (from a gay "rights" fundraiser) as often as possible pre-nomination before it is too late. America, even in its present condition, is not ready for a cross-dressing pro-abort presidente.


142 posted on 06/07/2005 9:13:35 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Alex Marko

Even if Hiltery runs I WILL NOT VOTE for McCAN'T


143 posted on 06/07/2005 9:14:25 AM PDT by VastRWCon
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To: GraniteStateConservative
In November of 2008 you will. You won't stay home and you won't vote for Her Majesty.

McCain will not make it out of the Primaries

144 posted on 06/07/2005 9:19:34 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: finnman69
Actually I dont rememeber Weedpsort here at all.

Fair enough. Lemme find you a reference... OK, this is embarrassing, I can't find a good link. I remember reading hundreds of emails on the subject back when it happened, but I guess the pyrotechnics mailing lists in question are not archived.

To make it worse, the only viable reference I can find is a posting on the Hillary Clinton website!!! It's not even a very detailed description at that.

I will attempt to find a better explanation of the incident to which I referred, and post it here later. In the meantime, I quote the post that I could find.

"The Summer Fireworks Festival was held, or at least was attempted to be held, from July 27 to 31, 1998 in Weedsport, New York. This is a perfectly legal, permit-covered event that had been held twice before, successfully, in the same town. But the 1998 festival was doomed by Rudolph Giuliani before it even started. New York state troopers got wind of a "fireworks convention," set up roadblocks, and stopped cars coming and going to the festival, and confiscated fireworks from quite a few people. These roadblocks, interrogations, and confiscations will be challenged in court. At least eight people were arrested. Bob Kellner's entire truckload of fireworks, worth many thousands of dollars, was seized and destroyed. Many convention attendees immediately left for home."

"The Holiday Inn is upset because many people checked out sooner than they had planned. It's not the local police that caused the problems - it's primarily the New York state police and New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's goon squad called the "Fireworks Task Force." The Summer Fireworks Festival has been held twice before, in 1994 and 1996, at the same location, without any such incidents.

"Apparently this year, NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani read about the upcoming event and planned in April to sabotage it, even though Weedsport and Auburn are nowhere near his jurisdiction, and even thought the Summer Fireworks Festival is a completely legal event, covered by permits which were granted in advance."

You said: It can't have been much at all.

I am sure the folks involved would beg to differ. I was nowhere near the incident, but read many many independent reports of the events that formed a reliable picture, and contributed to their legal defense fund of those that were arrested on a variety of minor and spurious and in most cases allegedly bogus charges.

145 posted on 06/07/2005 9:24:37 AM PDT by dsmcf
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To: Alex Marko
You know what? Hillary is a Marxist maniac who makes the Arkansas Antichrist look "moderate." So, I guess the Demonrats will be nothing to worry about, if you think only "moderates" can win. Hence, if the GOP nominates a rational human being (a CONSERVATIVE), the GOP wins. WEe will not need to nominate a cross-dressing pro-abort ex-mayor who sucks up to social revolution at every opportunity, however well he handled his post 9/11 duties in NYC. Nor do we need McCain who claims to be po-life but just sabotaged the best opportunity in a generation to pillage the pro-abort control of the SCOTUS.

Gee, Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe and the devastating Sen. Susan Collins are "moderates": Feel the excitement!!!!!

Just what is a "moderate?" Someone who modertael;y favors the continuation of the slicing, dicing and hamburgerization of innocent babies so as keep the Holocaust safe from popular opinion? Someone who wants to honor a non-existent "moral equivalency" between normal marriage and same sex sodomy masquerading as "marriage" with the help of judicial and legislative airheads? Someone who wants the US to crawl in a hole and die rather than intervene on behalf of the liberty of people who are brutally repressed? Someone who worships the almighty buck above all? Have I missed any issue qualifications for this generation's equivalent of Rockefellerism?

146 posted on 06/07/2005 9:26:46 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
IF, as suggested by Gipper08, Allen does not thrill pro-lifers and those socially conservative on other issues, I feel confident that he can take a sufficient written pledge to satisfy doubters.

Allen's solid and trustworthy on social issues -- except --> he believes life begins (and presumably ends) with heartbeat/brainwave activity (roughly 8 weeks).

I have a lot easier time dealing with an honest disagreement over the beginning of life than a hypocritical "personally opposed, but ..." that you'll get from many who still claim to be pro-life.

147 posted on 06/07/2005 9:41:41 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: JohnnyZ

He lost an election prior to 2008. McCain won't.


148 posted on 06/07/2005 9:43:05 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Alex Marko; ninenot; sittnick; dubyaismypresident; Petronski; GraniteStateConservative
AM: On your home page, you have very little other than an American flag in lieu of a state of residence and a statement to the effect that "Extremism in defense of liberty is no crime."

You apparently believe that Giuliani is a principled and even moral man. You advance him as a potential GOP candidate NOT pf principle but of modeartion. What to make of this combination of factors?

Apparently support for abortion does not disqualify as immorality in your estimation, nor cross-dressing nor support for so-called "rights" of lavenders. Those apparently qualify Rudy Giuliani as a "moderate."

Since you see Rudy as a "moderate." His social revolutionary stands must not seem extreme to you. What sort of extreme do you think is praiseworthy and yet not disqualifying? Money???? Extreme libertarian social revolution? Randianism???????

Your insistent resort to "moderation" as a requirement for winning GOP Candidates smacks of nothing more than the discredited old Northeastern Liberal pack of the 1960s, warmed over Rockefellerism. If you think that morality is none of the government's business and you imagine yourself conservative or Republican, you are in the wrong political party.

I look forward to the 2008 GOP primaries which will put an end to "moderation" in the GOP once and for all just before we dispose of Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist.

149 posted on 06/07/2005 9:47:43 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; sittnick; ninenot; Petronski

Dream on. McCain is a Republican dead man by South Carolina as to the GOP nomination. The danger is that the issues treasonous SOB will then run 3rd Party since he isn't young enough to run in 2012 and he sees this as all about HIM. We will beat the Hildebeast on SOCIAL ISSUES or she will be sworn in whether we like it or not and whether we vote for a "GOP" mushball social issue coward and/or isolationist or not. I am not THAT pessimistic about America. We will nominate a socially CONSERVATIVE nominee and take her out. Wet Republicans can come along for the ride or be replaced by socially conservative Democrats of modest means nauseated by Her Hillaryness.


150 posted on 06/07/2005 9:53:20 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Gipper08

What ARE we going to do...WE NEED A CANDIDATE!!!


151 posted on 06/07/2005 9:54:25 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Gipper08

Rudy is alot better then McCain for damn sure.


152 posted on 06/07/2005 9:54:38 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Mo1

i for sure will not vote for McCain. No way I don't care if its Hillary vs. McCain. I still would not vote for the guy. I would probably vote third party then.


153 posted on 06/07/2005 9:56:57 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Mamzelle; sittnick; ninenot; Petronski
You have a wrong number on the POW thing. You also have a wrong number in joining the enemies of conservatism in using this useless "neocon" term. The "neocons" are a group of about twelve surviving nonogenarian NYC socialists turned conservative over the Demonrats becoming so friendly to reds. What you and the New Republic and the Nation and the paleowimps at the Rockford Institute describe as "neocon" is the New Right which brought conservatism back from a wilderness paved by "paleocons" aka paleo-isolationist wimps.

You are going to be amazed at how few New Right types are EVER going to support McCain given campaign finance reform and the dagger in the back on the judges which are far more recent and far more relevant than his accidental residency in the Hanoi Hilton, however heroic. McCain has "forgiven" the North Vietnamese reds. We won't. McCain is on speaking terms with war wimp senators. We are not and we will not be. Hegel can go to heck along with McCain.

154 posted on 06/07/2005 10:07:35 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sittnick
Rudy might get the sexually confused vote (snicker)


155 posted on 06/07/2005 10:24:48 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: Gipper08

If McCain gets the nod this is one Republican who will consider sitting it out. Usually when I go to the polls I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't see much of a difference between Mccain & Hillary. With Hillary you know what you have, while you can't trust McCain.


156 posted on 06/07/2005 10:28:44 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: Mamzelle; ninenot; sittnick; onyx; Petronski; saradippity; Siobhan; american colleen
On the first wife front, many men are tone deaf but you are right. Anyone who has reviewed what are called actualities in candidate polls (open-ended questions like what are the three things you hate most about Senator McCain) will turn up many women who will resent that sort of betrayal of a loyal but physically weakened first wife and, most particularly, if the big deal is the decline in superficial looks due to the advance of age that affects us all. The good husband values the scars of age in his wife as having been sustained in her devotion to their marriage and to him. Stretch marks, crow's feet, worry lines, some extra inches at the waistline, a sag or two???? So what, at worst? Thank you, dearest, more likely. It isn't as though McCain or most any other husband improves physically by the passage of many years after marriage.

Many women have no use for powerful men seeking trophy second wives. They rightly regard such men as immature nancy boys who are not to be trusted.

You and I have often disagreed and have done so on this thread. Nonetheless, you have put your finger on an indisputable truth. Watch for a high correlation between support for abortion and other social revolutionary themes by men and their lack of concern for the dumping of first wives, not for character flaws or for any cognizable moral failing, but for mere superficial looks. There are many reasons to be socially conservative and preservation of a just social order is an important one.

Also, as an expatriate New Englander familiar with New Hampshire in the last few decades, I note that you have also put your finger on New Hampshire accurately. The problem there is that airhead Boston liberals and libertarians have ruined the Boston area and now have moved to New Hampshire to flee Massachusetts taxes while desiring the lifestyle leftism of Vermont and of Barney Frank. Bill Loeb is dead for some time and soon New Hampshire will be no more just as the real Vermont is now just the Northeast Kingdom of ancestral dairy farmers and outnumbered by the devotees of Bernie Sanders, Jumping Judas Jeffords and Patrick Leahy.

Please accept this tribute to your insight in several; respects on this matter.

157 posted on 06/07/2005 10:29:46 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sittnick

Precisely!


158 posted on 06/07/2005 10:35:10 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: dsmcf

This is pretty small potatoes. Giuliani was pretty anti-fireworks unless it was a legitimate display and I understand the attempt to prevent fires and injuries. There's a difference between a M-80 and a bottlerocket, but both can cause fires.

Aint much online about because it aint much.


159 posted on 06/07/2005 10:39:16 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: JohnnyZ; sittnick; ninenot
Me, too. Allen should take a pledge to support the pure, pro-life position because, as a practical matter, loopholes become six-lane highways, and because his constituents want him to take a pure pro-life position. Bush the Elder used to be a tool of Planned Barrenhood in Houston and his mother was on the Planned Barrenhood Board but he turned on a dime when offered the vice presidency. True, he was responsible for David Souter but he also named Clarence Thomas. I want Allen to name the Thomases but not the Souters and I bet he is on board for that.

One possible problem: Is there any chance he paid for an abortion and is rationalizing it with this eight-week business? I think heart beats start a lot sooner than eight weeks also.

160 posted on 06/07/2005 10:45:03 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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