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Fahrenheit 2777: 9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
Scientific American ^ | June 05, 2005 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 06/05/2005 6:22:17 PM PDT by demlosers

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To: ActionNewsBill
PBS had an interview with LARRY SILVERSTEIN (The World Trade Center was leased by Westfield America and Larry Silverstein, on April 26th, 2001)where he was quoted as saying : "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it (WTC7)." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

That building was brought down by a controlled demolition.

In “The Bride of Frankenstein,” Dr. Frankenstein stands by a big lever and announces “If I pull this lever, this entire tower will come crashing down!” I always used to think, “Then what the hell did you put that lever there for?!?!”

Of course, posts like yours have since informed me that a “building collapse” lever is just a normal part of tower construction.

I guess they come in handy in the lack of an emergency.

61 posted on 06/05/2005 8:44:04 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: demlosers

bookmk ping


62 posted on 06/05/2005 8:44:38 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: ActionNewsBill
And I will give you a few points to ponder.

So long as Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, one can imagine a rather small group of conspirators. With a bit of creativity, you can even get it down to one primary orchestrator of the whole 9/11 tragedy, who would be the only one that knows the truth about it.

But, in order to make a 757 vanish into the ether, you require a sprawling conspiracy. Who are all these people that not a single one has leaked? I don't even mean go to the media. I mean, there is not even the slightest rumor of an alternative fate for Flight 77.

Moreover, if this conspiracy is willing to crash the hijacked planes into the WTC, then why on earth not crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon? I mean, you've obviously got the plane under your control. Why go to the trouble of firing a missile or flying in yet another plane, or whatever, if you've got a perfectly good plane to crash into the Pentagon?

Think about it. You're planning to pull off this evil deed. You think to yourself, I will hijack planes and crash them into the WTC, the Pentagon, and the White House/Capital (or wherever the 4th was going), why would you then say to yourself: "Oh, but let's just make it look like a plane hit the Pentagon. Instead, we'll strike the Pentagon this way and spirit the plane off to wherever."

It just makes no sense whatsoever. Any way you dice it, there is no rational reason to just make it look as if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

63 posted on 06/05/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: ActionNewsBill
I've seen that one before....it makes a pretty strong argument for an alternative theory to the "official"story

Didn't to me.

No more "compelling" than the guys in the sewer grates who shot JFK.

64 posted on 06/05/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

Well, lemme clarify that I meant "compelling" in the sense of "fascinating" and not in the sense of "persuasive"..


65 posted on 06/05/2005 8:57:28 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: demlosers
But I never imagined such an "appalling deception" would ever find a voice in America. At a recent public lecture I was buttonholed by a Michael Moore–wannabe filmmaker who breathlessly explained that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Central Intelligence Agency as part of their plan for global domination and a New World Order. That goal was to be financed by G.O.D. (Gold, Oil, Drugs) and launched by a Pearl Harbor–like attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby providing the justification for war.

I'll take "Alex Jones" for $200.

66 posted on 06/05/2005 8:59:15 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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To: Kath

Penn and Teller picked this apart on there show.


67 posted on 06/05/2005 9:00:45 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: demlosers
My rejoinder was met with the same grim response I get from UFOlogists when I ask them for concrete evidence: Men in Black silence witnesses, and dead men tell no tales.

This fella had some credibility with me til I read this statement...If he ain't seen one, they don't exist...50,000,000 people have reported seeing UFO's...More people have seen UFO's than have seen the Pope...I've never seen the Pope (except on tv) 'I don't believe the Pope is real'...

Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

This is a totally ridiculous statement...If someone is going to discredit Moore, they better find someone else...

68 posted on 06/05/2005 9:01:22 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: Radioactive

What about the thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon? Are you really that stupid?


69 posted on 06/05/2005 9:01:29 PM PDT by Figment
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To: demlosers
My rejoinder was met with the same grim response I get from UFOlogists when I ask them for concrete evidence: Men in Black silence witnesses, and dead men tell no tales.

This fella had some credibility with me til I read this statement...If he ain't seen one, they don't exist...50,000,000 people have reported seeing UFO's...More people have seen UFO's than have seen the Pope...I've never seen the Pope (except on tv) 'I don't believe the Pope is real'...

Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

This is a totally ridiculous statement...If someone is going to discredit Moore, they better find someone else...

70 posted on 06/05/2005 9:02:55 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: AntiGuv
Well, lemme clarify that I meant "compelling" in the sense of "fascinating" and not in the sense of "persuasive"..

Oh yeah....I wouldn't have gone there if I wasn't interested as well.

But the "Hitler" speech introducing the video put it in cuckoo land to start.

71 posted on 06/05/2005 9:04:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Sonny M
How does he know she was on a plane that hit the pentagon?

Yes she is dead. But did she really die at the pentagon?

The only way he knows is what the government told him.

If you see the only video ever seen on the pentagon hit, there is no way that it was an airplane that hit it.

You can speak of what we were told happend, but you do not really know what happend because you can only go by what you were told by government officials.

If you think....use your brain, instead of listening to what the government tells you, then we would have a much better government and not all the problems we have today.

Ask yourself this.....how do people who were poor flight students, fly a plane 2 feet off the ground without hitting anything on the ground infront of the pentagon? Even seasoned pilots say it they would not be able to accomplish what we were told happend. You have been hoodwinked.

You are not the only one who does this. The vast majority of AMericans believe everything they are told.

I still to this day do not buy the story of flight 800.

No way did Jet A explode in the center tank.No way....

ANd no way does a 747 loose it nose and then fly 13000 feet straight up.

Aerodynamically impossible.

We are being lied to.

72 posted on 06/05/2005 9:07:35 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Kirkwood
Say what you will....but I think you are just foolish to believe anything that the government tells you.

If you ever see the only video of the pentagon hit released, you would also come to the same conclusion I have.

And you post your cutesy little cartoons trying to cast dispersions.

Shame on you for not at least looking into what really happend.

People like you have been responsible for Hitler, Stalin, and all the other atrocities in history because you refused to look at the evidence and come to a logical conclusion.

Usefull idiot come to mind.

73 posted on 06/05/2005 9:11:57 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive
How does he know she was on a plane that hit the pentagon?

First off, she was able to call him from the plane, the terrorists on at least 2 of the flights had no problems letting the hostages make phone calls.

But did she really die at the pentagon?

Thats where her body was, they did recover it.

Unless you think Ted Olson is lying about his wife.

Then again, you seem disturbed enough to probably want to harass people who lost family members on that plane in that crash or the families of people at the pentagon who lost loved ones when that plane hit them.

74 posted on 06/05/2005 9:12:26 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Radioactive

http://www.skepticreport.com/tools/occamsrazor.htm


75 posted on 06/05/2005 9:14:30 PM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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To: Radioactive
ANd no way does a 747 loose it nose and then fly 13000 feet straight up.

Which plane are you referring to here? It doesn't sound like Flight 800.

76 posted on 06/05/2005 9:17:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
I kinda like the hypothesis that a meteor hit Flight 800. I mean, it works!

no, i don't really believe that

77 posted on 06/05/2005 9:21:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: demlosers
Oh brother....


78 posted on 06/05/2005 9:25:23 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Kath
Oh yeah? I don't believe anything you are saying.

I've seen the video and no way can a Boing 757 fly two feet....two feet above the ground and hit the pentagon without doing much more damage.

I think you are full of BS......see the video and tell me that I am wrong.

NO way did a 757 hit the pentagon. NO way.

Where the hell are the wings? The Engines are made to withstand temperatures far greater than what happend at the pentagon fire. ANd I've seen the supposed photos of the engine that survived....it aint from a 757 that is for sure.

DId you see the neat little hole made by this supposed aircraft strike?

Where is all the parts of the plane? There should have been much more damage to the front of the pentagon.

There should have been much more damage on the highway just 300 yards away...there should have been windows in the pentagon destroyed at least 80 feet on each side of the fuselage.....look at the photos........look at them damn it........don't just sit there and be stupid.The windows are intact...where the wings should have hit there is no damage.

Look at the evidence.....why is it that the government will not release other videos of the supposed 757 hit on the pentagon?

I'll tell you why.....it wasn't hit by a 757.

And why did CNN report that there was no evidence that a plane had it the pentagon?

And why was that report squashed by the request of the federal government?

79 posted on 06/05/2005 9:27:54 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive

Here-here-
My brother in law had recently got out of the naval press corps- When the towers were hit, then the pentagon, he called people he worked with in the pentagon previously - They saw the plane hit-some did not make it you sir, are a kook- also, by diluting the truth with half witted consiracy theories, you are cheapening the loss of people there ( and in new york). Usually, the simplest answer is correct.
Tech


80 posted on 06/05/2005 9:28:15 PM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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