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Bill To Equip Ammo With Serial Numbers Passes [California] State Senate
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 6/03/2005 | James P. Sweeney/AP

Posted on 06/05/2005 1:07:43 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: Spktyr

This must be the most egregious legislation the democrats have written in quite a while. Lockyer had gubenatorial ambitions. I guess he thinks this will be a winner with the voters?


21 posted on 06/05/2005 1:44:40 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: poobear

Those are good questions. I imagine they would make it illegal for California citizens to own unmarked ammunition. As for whether self-loading is allowed, I'm not sure. I've not gotten into that myself, and I'm not aware if it's legal or not. My guess at this point, is that it is still legal, but I wouldn't but money on it.


22 posted on 06/05/2005 1:46:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Spktyr

I don't see California colapsing in the typical sense. It's a wealthy state if it's leaders just put their minds to it.

What I see happening is separatists moving into positions of power, and encouraging the populace to move away from the nation, because California pays out more taxes than it gets back.

Right now we have a separatist as Mayor of L.A. The Lt Governor is also a separatist. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a number of people in the Legislature were too.

Look, whatever the ploy used, it's going to sound too good for the illiterate masses to pass up. Leaders can always come up with a good sounding reason to support evil, if they want to.


23 posted on 06/05/2005 1:51:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: onyx

I'd hardly call it progress. LOL


24 posted on 06/05/2005 1:53:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Myrddin

Nuts! What will the authorities do with folks that have boxes of reloads prior to the new law? Expiration dates?

Register your existing bullets and ammunition today and we will not arrest you later. I guess new law will really work with the gangs too. Is there something in the water in Cali?


25 posted on 06/05/2005 1:54:34 AM PDT by poobear
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To: DoughtyOne

LOL! Me neither, but that's what the supporters call it... "a work in progress."

I find this entire idea wholly disturbing. Passed by a party line vote. Thank God, no GOP signed on.


26 posted on 06/05/2005 1:56:32 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx
It is a surprise to me that none of the R.P.s did. California is such a political cesspool that even some of the Republicans are stinking leftists.
27 posted on 06/05/2005 2:01:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yep. Sounds like another proposal for more tax dollars rather than REALLY trying to curb violence. Big surprise.


28 posted on 06/05/2005 2:32:27 AM PDT by poobear
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To: onyx

I'm sorry, did I miss anything on this thread, I had to go to the bathroom to deposit "a work in progress."


29 posted on 06/05/2005 3:07:00 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This regulation is unenforceable and everyone knows it. There is no way that all ammo in the hands of citizens can be checked for legality. This bill doesn't have a chance, IMHO.


30 posted on 06/05/2005 3:14:19 AM PDT by Misterioso
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You missed plenty...lol.


31 posted on 06/05/2005 3:42:57 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The required modifications to the manufacturing process, the companies warned, would either drive them out of business or send consumer prices skyward."

Which is, of course, the REAL agenda.

32 posted on 06/05/2005 3:52:40 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: DoughtyOne

I read on another thread about this bill that posessing "un-registered" ammo by 2007 will be a crime.


33 posted on 06/05/2005 3:57:34 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Spktyr

Yeah, it's always a good idea to appease. It worked well against Hitler.


34 posted on 06/05/2005 4:10:34 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Misterioso
This regulation is unenforceable and everyone knows it. There is no way that all ammo in the hands of citizens can be checked for legality. This bill doesn't have a chance, IMHO.

Oh, but it is. You don't bother to check the populace for compliance. It's just that -- bingo! -- when you pick somebody for something else, here's another nice, juicy felony you can stick him with.

Like so much unreasonable legislation, many of us have too much at stake to break it, but criminals do not. It's another "disarming good citizens" measure.

35 posted on 06/05/2005 4:19:01 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What a dumb idea --

Carolyn

36 posted on 06/05/2005 4:20:56 AM PDT by CDHart (u)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
DW and I are voting with our feet on this & many other issues.

We are retiring & moving to Oregon. Cali can kiss goodbye 100% of the sales & income tax we pay. And, despite Oregon's liberal reputation, they have shall-issue, no sales tax, and property tax limitation. Plus, property costs are much lower than CA.

Property value is higher.

37 posted on 06/05/2005 4:59:05 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

What is needed is MORE GUN SHOWS in Az,Nv and Or with unmarked, and cheaper, ammo!


38 posted on 06/05/2005 5:12:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Spktyr
"If this passes, CA is a lost cause. Fall back to Arizona, regroup, and come back after the CA government collapses because they have no ammo. "

Won't work. Retired CA government, town, county workers will just move east to avoid the social havoc, economic collapse, poor service and high taxes. Since they're retired, they'll have time, desire for power, and the 'experience' necessary to run for local government, which you won't have because you'll be working to pay federal taxes to bail out the California state workers pension program.

So, serf, get back to tending you field.

39 posted on 06/05/2005 5:12:23 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Does this outlaw frangible bullets since nothing would survive upon which a serial number could be read? Or are frangible bullets already illegal?


40 posted on 06/05/2005 5:19:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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