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'Offensive' hospital bibles may be banned
UK Telegraph ^ | 6/3/05 | Nick Britten

Posted on 06/04/2005 2:59:07 PM PDT by wagglebee

The century-old tradition of bibles in hospital bedside lockers could be ended in one health trust today after officials decided they might offend ethnic minorities.

Senior executives at the University of Leicester NHS Trust said it was also concerned that the books helped to spread the MRSA bacteria and it would rule on whether to remove them from wards.

The proposal angered Christians and Muslims who accused the hospital of political correctness.

Leicester has one of Britain's largest ethnic minority populations and the trust is concerned that the many non-Christian patients might be offended. A spokesman refused to say who suggested the ban, but said that she was "not aware" that any complaints about bibles had been made.

"Discussions are still in the early stages,'' she said. "Regardless of the outcome, patients can be reassured that religious texts will continue to be made available at hospitals through the chaplaincy."

Gideons International, the missionary organisation whose bibles are placed at patient bedsides, said the proposal was "sad" and "ridiculous". Iain Mair, an executive director, said the charity commissioned a surgeon and microbiologist to carry out a study on the risk of infection as soon as it learned that a ban was being considered.

"Doctors told us that to claim an MRSA risk is nonsense - and it is ridiculous to think having bibles in lockers discriminates against other religions," said Mr Mair.

"We have told the trust that we will put a note beside our Testament to advise patients who to contact if they wish a book of another faith."

The hospitals that would be affected if a ban were implemented are Leicester General, Leicester Royal Infirmary and Glenfield Hospital. Such a move would be especially embarrassing for Gideons, whose British headquarters is a few miles away in Lutterworth, Leics.

Mr Mair said: "The proposal is completely outrageous and the reasons put forward for justifying it, we believe, are totally without foundation.

He had not received "a single letter, e-mail or telephone call from any member of another faith to say that they have been offended by a hospital bible. Even other local faith leaders disagree with the proposal. The only thing I can think of is that this is motivated by political correctness.''

He said he felt sad that in a country that had been Christian for so long "we have got people that consider the Bible to be offensive".

Suleman Nagdi, of Leicestershire's Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "This is a Christian country and it would be sad to see the tradition end."

Resham Singh Sandu, Sikh chairman of the Council of Faiths, said: "I don't think many ethnic minority patients would object to the Bible in a locker."

The Diocese of Leicester urged officials to vote against a ban when discussions - which will include the thoughts of the hospital chaplaincy, infection control, service equality and volunteer services - are held.

A diocese spokesman said: "There is a long tradition of bibles being readily available for those who are in need of spiritual as well as physical help.

"People need this consolation at hospital. For example, they may need to reach for a Bible in the middle of the night for comfort and solace.

"What right does the trust have to do this when Gideons has been putting bibles in hospitals and other institutions for more than 100 years?''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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He said he felt sad that in a country that had been Christian for so long "we have got people that consider the Bible to be offensive".

However, it seems that the only people who are "offended" are the leftist secularists.

1 posted on 06/04/2005 2:59:08 PM PDT by wagglebee
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...was also concerned that the books helped to spread the MRSA bacteria...

So do doctors, nurses, and patients, but I don't see the hospital banning them!

2 posted on 06/04/2005 3:01:20 PM PDT by mewzilla
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Observation : The word Bible is not capitalized in this article.


3 posted on 06/04/2005 3:06:05 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: wagglebee

However, it seems that the only people who are "offended" are the leftist secularists.
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Yes, because Christianity places moral, ethical and spiritual measurements on people. And the left sees any system of values as AN OBSTACLE to their lawless, ethicless, morally-bankrupt existence.

It is really that simple.


4 posted on 06/04/2005 3:06:24 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: nuconvert

Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't even noticed. It is possible that the British custom is not to capitalize it unless it names the translation (i.e. King James Bible); however, it is more likely that the leftist journalist has so much hatred for Christianity that he did it intentionally.


6 posted on 06/04/2005 3:11:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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And I thought this article was going to be about Canada.


7 posted on 06/04/2005 3:11:57 PM PDT by BBell
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To: nuconvert
Observation : The word Bible is not capitalized in this article.

First thing I noticed too.

8 posted on 06/04/2005 3:12:50 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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I agree. If I was in a Muslim hospital, I would be deathly afraid for my life, but I wouldn't be "offended" to see a copy of the Koran.


9 posted on 06/04/2005 3:13:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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As an agnostic I am always amused at how my fellow non-believers are so SCARED of the Bible. If being filled with fear is the result of being a secularist, I may have to reconsider! :)


10 posted on 06/04/2005 3:14:23 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dems, the annoying vegetarians of politics)
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Observation : The word Bible is not capitalized in this article.

Guess what is capitalized, guys...Do a search on the paper's site for the word koran. Every reference I could find came up in caps.

11 posted on 06/04/2005 3:15:06 PM PDT by mewzilla
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I should say with the first letter capitalized.
12 posted on 06/04/2005 3:15:40 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: wagglebee

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the very idea of a hospital a Christian invention in the first place?


13 posted on 06/04/2005 3:16:09 PM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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Tell those who might be offended to ignore it. If it is so offensive, don't open it up and read it.

Is it going to get to the point in which churches will be bulldozed, because some member of the Thought Police gets offended by walking past it?

14 posted on 06/04/2005 3:17:39 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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Once again the leftists demonstrate that they are the ones who are opposed to diversity and tolerance by enforcing what they believe, or not believe in this case, on other people. Those of us who believe in the BIBLE and believe in the religious and GODLY must do it in 'the dark' according to them. We are offending them with our religion? Caca del toro. I am offended that they don't believe in religion.

May they all burn in hell.

15 posted on 06/04/2005 3:18:20 PM PDT by Max Flatow
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To: Darkwolf377

It always reminds me of the part in Orwell's 1984, in which Winston's co-worker is arrested by the Thought Police, for allowing the word "God" to remain in a poem that was being made more politically correct.


16 posted on 06/04/2005 3:20:12 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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17 posted on 06/04/2005 3:24:26 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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Geesh!

If I saw a koran in the hospital drawer, I'd shut the drawer and leave it in there. Why can't these oddballs do the same? And when will they be TOLERANT of other beliefs? Why must we always bend over for them?
18 posted on 06/04/2005 3:42:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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If you read the article, the Muslims aren't even the ones who are upset, it's the damn leftists.


19 posted on 06/04/2005 3:43:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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As an agnostic I am always amused at how my fellow non-believers are so SCARED of the Bible. If being filled with fear is the result of being a secularist, I may have to reconsider! :)

People do get offended so easily somedays and make a big to-do about nothing. Sometimes even the word "offended" offends me.

20 posted on 06/04/2005 3:49:47 PM PDT by moog
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