[American Vet Repairman]

"Prove this "creator" exists."

Look in the mirror. Look at your eyes. I mean take a good long look. Now think about this. How did evolution know things needed to be in focus, how did evolution know there were colors to be seen? How could we, who are so wonderfully made-be the product of a string of coincidences? Wild Horse...you are the proof.

[Dimensio]

Look in the mirror. Look at your eyes. I mean take a good long look. Now think about this. How did evolution know things needed to be in focus, how did evolution know there were colors to be seen?

Evolution doesn't "know" anything. Creatures with better eyesight were better able to survive and reproduce and pass their genes allowing for superior eyesight to subsequent geneerations.

Do you have an argument that isn't a strawman?

[WildHorseCrash]

Look in the mirror. Look at your eyes. I mean take a good long look.

Okay, looking at eyes, check.

Now think about this. How did evolution know things needed to be in focus, how did evolution know there were colors to be seen?

Evolution didn't "know." Those ancestors of mine who had a better ability to focus light and discern different wavelengths had a reproductive advantage over their cohorts who did not. They passed that advantage to their descendants. Those of the descendants whose vision conferred a reproductive, compared to their cohorts, had, on average, more descendants, and so on. Millions of years later, there is me. (And the human eye is only one of about 40 different eyes that independently evolved, by the way.)

How could we, who are so wonderfully made-be the product of a string of coincidences?

Wonderfully made? Ha! We're a collection of ad-hoc adaptations, maladaptations, and evolutionary holdovers. We walk upright, but have the lower backs of quadrupeds. We have an appendix, which is susceptible to infection, bursting and death, but which has no necessary function. The evolution of the eye has the light sensitive cells wired backwards which has lead to a blind spot in our field of vision. And, after using one of our key adaptations (our brain) to form modern society, our natural desire for sugar and fat in our diet has become a severe maladaptation.

Wild Horse...you are the proof.

Given the fact that I have a blind spot in my eyes, a slipped disk in my back, an appendectomy scar, and an expanding waistline from a sweet tooth and a taste for burgers, if I'm proof of anything, it is evolution. But I don't see any evidence of a creator.

[b_sharp]

"Look in the mirror. Look at your eyes. I mean take a good long look. Now think about this. How did evolution know things needed to be in focus, how did evolution know there were colors to be seen? How could we, who are so wonderfully made-be the product of a string of coincidences? Wild Horse...you are the proof."

Evolution reacts to changes in environment, it does not anticipate. The ability to focus came as the eye, which has evolved as many as 20 times, experienced mutation (probably a copy error) and natural selection weeded out those that could not focus.

For your edification, there exist within extant organisms a relatively smooth transition between a simply light sensing cell and the Octo-eye which is superior to ours in design. You are aware that much of our eye is backwards or otherwise poorly designed?

BTW, trying to prove evolution incorrect is not equivalent to proving your God exists. That is a much used false dichotomy intended to give anti-evolutionists some hope that they will be proved right about the existence of their God.

[Elsie]

DANG!!

I should have read ahead a bit!

(Oh well; great minds and all........ ;^)

[aNYCguy]

After having all but claimed that there is abundant evidence for a creator, you offer this? You have said, essentially, "You exist. You can see. I don't understand evolution. Therefore there is an intelligent creator."

Would you mind offering me the rest of this ample evidence since I'm unimpressed so far?