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Doom scenarios over euro's future (Yippee)
expatica.com ^ | 3 June 2005 | expatica

Posted on 06/03/2005 3:05:36 PM PDT by Cornpone

AMSTERDAM — Doom scenarios about the future of the euro are being heard in France and the Netherlands after both nations rejected the EU Constitution in recent referendums.

The president of the Dutch reserve bank DNB, Nout Wellink, has dismissed the speculation as "nonsense", while German Finance Minister Hans Eichel claims such talk is "irresponsible".

But the word is out: after two 'no' votes and a persistent economic malaise, doom and gloom scenarios are being heard about the future of the euro, Dutch newspaper 'De Volkskrant' reported on Friday.

"It is no longer unthinkable that the euro will bust," Leuven University international economics professor Paul de Grauwe said.

Underpinning his assertions, a professor with the European University in Florence, Rick van der Ploeg, said the present political reality could lead to the end of the euro.

Opponents to the euro, including Amsterdam University economics professor Sweder van Wijnbergen, warned in the 1990s Europe could not have a single currency because the economies of the various countries were so different. A single currency would also require a political union, he said.

Supporters of the currency said a political union would arise naturally due to the introduction of a joint currency.

However, De Grauwe said political integration appears to be dead after the no votes in the Netherlands and France, despite the fact "a political union is necessary for a healthy euro".

Van Wijnbergen says the growth rates of European economies are still widely different and it is no longer possible for individual nations to maintain different monetary policy or exchange rates to buffer economic imbalances.

If EU workers relocated to regions with good economic growth, economic differences would level out. But labour mobility does not and will never exist, Van Wijnbergen claimed.

However, he rejected the overnight dismantling of the euro due to the high costs involved and Van der Ploeg said the joint currency can still be rescued. This would depend on France and Germany reforming their labour markets, he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: currency; euro; eurofreude
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To: Cornpone

Anyone want to venture a guess as to the six month forward price of the euro?


41 posted on 06/03/2005 3:55:07 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: Cornpone
Last time I was in Italy, I spoke with some Italians and overnight, they said they lost around 50% of their money's value when the Euro was implemented.

Not exactly a recipe for success.

42 posted on 06/03/2005 4:02:55 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Now to protect his money he has no choice but to buy back the USD to avoid loosing too much."

Thus Soros will have to SELL Euros and (horror) buy Dollars .....so contributing to the further decline in the Euro.

Schardenfreude

43 posted on 06/03/2005 4:03:57 PM PDT by spokeshave (Strategery + Schardenfreude = Stratenschardenfreudery)
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To: jwh_Denver

"No choice? LOL! Like the USD is the only currency in the world. There are others that are stronger you know."

Of course there are! But not necessarily in high demand. Business people only need so many Japanese yen or Norwegian crowns. Where the commerce is will determine which currencies are in demand.


44 posted on 06/03/2005 4:06:07 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: Nathan Zachary

"THEN trade to USD's"

The general consenses of the "experts" is a lower dollar including the fact the fact the Fed wants a weaker USD.

The rest is capitalism and I'm against it unless of course it's unethical. Warren Buffet is getting eaten alive with the rise in the dollar. Sometimes one makes a profit sometimes not.


45 posted on 06/03/2005 4:07:36 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Hillary for "Slug Queen")
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To: My2Cents
"The EU constitution is reject; chaos ensues;..."

The former Soviet Bloc countries will just build a wall to keep them OUT!!

46 posted on 06/03/2005 4:31:18 PM PDT by BobS
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To: RegulatorCountry
"Appealing as that thought might be, just how would you be planning to pull that one off?"

I don't know, claim to be his hidden illegitite child and sue him for half his worth? Then send hundreds of thousands of free Chevy's and Fords to chinese people (with lots of faulty patented parts) to drive up demand and inflation in China.

47 posted on 06/03/2005 4:39:26 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Shermy
It is economically rational to cheat within the currency.

Exactly -- that's why it won't work for diverse countries. It's the Tragedy of the Commons in another form.

48 posted on 06/03/2005 4:48:51 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: BobS

LOL...Most likely. "Mr. Yushchenko, tear down this wall!"


49 posted on 06/03/2005 4:49:00 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
"LOL...Most likely. "Mr. Yushchenko, tear down this wall!"

No, the wall will be more to the west of Poland, Czech, Romania, Bulgaria. LOL

50 posted on 06/03/2005 4:54:32 PM PDT by BobS
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To: Cornpone

For Americans, rejoicing at the disorder and chaos in Europe after the rejection of the EU Treaty is foolish and infantile.

A strong economy and strong currency in Europe is good for America.

Maybe now, even though the new Government in France is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, Chirac will turn towards the US, as Tony Blair did, as its logical and most effective partner in dealing with the issues that are wrecking French society.


51 posted on 06/03/2005 4:59:04 PM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: An Old Marine
You mean Viet Nam The country? Really?
52 posted on 06/03/2005 5:10:02 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Cornpone

Hehehehehe!
:)

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53 posted on 06/03/2005 5:14:21 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pinging 72 virgins. Pinging 72 virgins.)
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To: Chgogal
Yippee!!!!
54 posted on 06/03/2005 5:15:55 PM PDT by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Muhammad)
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To: An Old Marine

"Incidentally did you know John Kerry went to Vietnam and won a ton a of medals? No kidding its true. I heard Dan Rather report it on TV and everything."


No way!!!! Please provide a source!! LOL


55 posted on 06/03/2005 5:20:38 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: RWR8189
The failure of the EMU would have huge negative repercussions for the global economy, and is not something to look forward to.

If it crashed suddenly, I think you are correct. But what if the "Franco-German axis" (a phrase I hear frequently these days) keeps the euro and let the smaller countries get rid of it if they want. How would that hurt the global economy?

56 posted on 06/03/2005 5:35:45 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: RegulatorCountry
The "success" of the Euro has some major players behind it, the objections (valid or not) of voters in various nations notwithstanding. I wouldn't count on it going away, or even going down and staying down.

Those major players are Asian banks that are heavily infested in the euro. The assumption behind that "success" was that political integration would follow. But that isn't going to happen now.

You are correct that the euro isn't going away. But you can't base value on dreams and promises forever. Either the economies in the euro zone improve, or the euro will continue to decline. Let's hope it will be a gentle slide.

57 posted on 06/03/2005 5:47:25 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: jwh_Denver
The rest is capitalism and I'm against it unless of course it's unethical.

That statement might need some clarification.

58 posted on 06/03/2005 5:58:43 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Lx
That's what the Dutch are saying about the Gilder as well.

Gotta wonder if Russia and Saudi are still talking about trading oil based on the euro or puking in a corner somewhere now. valuable the euro might be, but stable? hmmmm

59 posted on 06/04/2005 12:47:34 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: Shermy

Indeed, that's why the UK distrusts the EU because of France.


60 posted on 06/04/2005 10:08:10 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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