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NYC-bound Virgin Air Flight 45 squawking Hijack code; being diverted to New Brunswick, Canada
ABC News | 6-3-5 | ABC News

Posted on 06/03/2005 7:25:05 AM PDT by Petronski

The pilot says the hijack code is an error and the plane is secure, but naturally the authorities are not trusting him.


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To: Jeff Head

Yep !

Must......there are procedures to prevent dialing in the wrong transponder codes. Every good pilot follows such to prevent such an accidential procedure. Too easy to cross 7200 with 7700 per se.


281 posted on 06/03/2005 9:19:10 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Moose4
If you want to see a Canadian aircraft nut go crazy, ask them about the Avro Arrow.

I don't know much about the Avro Arrow (except that it is one sweet looking bird). But it wouldn't be the first (or the last) time that a tremendous technical achievement got cancelled. Lockheed was planning a fighter-variant of the SR-71 Blackbird (the YF-12, I believe). It was shut down around because the USAF was persuaded that with all the SAM's that were being fielded, low-altitude, sub-mach was the way to go -- hence we got that pig, the F-111.

Operational costs for the YF-12 would have been outta sight as continued flights of the SR-71 eventually proved. It probably wouldn't have flown much, even if we'd fielded it.

282 posted on 06/03/2005 9:22:42 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: hispanarepublicana

Well, it made it through spell check....lol


283 posted on 06/03/2005 9:23:44 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: mewzilla

Yes it can. The code is 7500. If you're sqauking 6500 and told to go to 7400, you should first change the 5 to a 4, and then the 6 to a 7, so you pass through 7400 for a second. If you change the digits in the other order, you pass through 7500 before getting to 7400 ... this apparently has happened. I'm not saying it's the case here.


284 posted on 06/03/2005 9:24:55 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Moose4

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but a lot of the F18's f15's etc. parts are made in various places in Canada.
The Canadian CF18 hornet is built to Canadian Airforce requirements, they have features not found on USAF models. Canada uses them for and has longer range requirements for them than we do, they double as their long range bomber.


285 posted on 06/03/2005 9:28:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mitchbert
Maritimers are some of the kindest folks you'll ever meet anywhere. As they say, there are no strangers, only friends you've yet to meet.

Is it like that on Nova Scotia?

286 posted on 06/03/2005 9:30:24 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: MoodyBlu
You are correct. Just think of it this way; if Michael Moore could get his fat-a$$ in a Cessna 152, we in ATC then would refer to the Cessna as a "heavy". It's all about wake turbulence.
MoodyBlu
If Michael Moore were to climb into a Cessna 152, it would be the first plane to fly with its nose straight down, because the center of gravity would be FAR forward of the wings.
287 posted on 06/03/2005 9:30:49 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: Moose4

Much of the aircraft industry that we know today was in fact founded in Canada, as was intercontinental flights. Madonald Douglas builder of the first pressurized long range passenger jets was a Canadian.
The aircraft industry has a very interesting (with heavy Canadian influence) history. You should reseach it sometime.


289 posted on 06/03/2005 9:35:43 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Moose4; hawkaw; Nowhere Man; Nathan Zachary; A.A. Cunningham
Gee I guess we could start an Avro Arrow ping list here. I have a couple of books on the subject - a good friend who's Canadian is a fanatic about it.

The sad thing is that the Arrow was ahead of its time; it was just designed for a role that turned out to be superfluous (intercepting Soviet manned bombers at Mach 2).

290 posted on 06/03/2005 9:38:39 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: JoeGar
... up there they call 'em CF-18s ... Doesn't the "C" stand for "cargo" and the "F" for "fighter"? What's a cargo fighter? The Canadian Forces use "CF" in front of their fighter designations to indicate it's operated by the Canadian Forces, or made in Canada. I recall that for many years the CF-86 Sabre was a commonly-used version; the Pakistani Air Force used them to good effect in the 1965 war with India.
291 posted on 06/03/2005 9:39:06 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: twigs

Thanks!!!!!!!


292 posted on 06/03/2005 9:44:53 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Nathan Zachary
Much of the aircraft industry that we know today was in fact founded in Canada, as was intercontinental flights. Madonald Douglas builder of the first pressurized long range passenger jets was a Canadian. The aircraft industry has a very interesting (with heavy Canadian influence) history. You should reseach it sometime.

...and Boeing was founded in Washington State, in part, to be closer to the vast quantities of cheap lumber (aircraft being chiefly made from wood in those days).

293 posted on 06/03/2005 9:44:59 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: FourtySeven

Thanks, I will remember your family on Thursday!


294 posted on 06/03/2005 9:46:10 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Heatseeker

The engineers were even considering using it for a high altitude satalite launching plateform. It really is sad it was not developed. But we do know the same engineers took their idea's with them and went to work for NASA and such, so who knows just how much of their brainwork is in actual use today.


295 posted on 06/03/2005 9:46:56 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tallguy
F4G Phantoms are operated by Germany.

Incorrect. Air Force F-4Gs started out as Navy F-4Es. The Navy also flew a small number of F-4Gs. The Luftwaffe flew F-4Fs and RF-4Es. The variant designator is not country specific.

296 posted on 06/03/2005 9:48:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Nowhere Man
CF-102 was the passenger plane

C-102 not CF-102.

297 posted on 06/03/2005 9:49:37 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Each of the scenarios you mention are different from the others.

I'm not arguing that efforts should not be made to keep confidential information confidential -- on the contrary, each piece of information needs to be considered on its merits to determine the appropriate level of confidentiality, and the security appropriate to that level of confidentiality.

I do not agree with your implicit assertion that there are similar confidentiality/security requirements for aviation transponder security codes, air martial identities, medical records, SSNs, credit card numbers, and classified military documents.

I believe ALL information should be public unless there is a sufficient reason to make the effort to keep the information out of the public.

In the case of transponder emergency codes, I have difficulty thinking of a way to limit the public knowledge of the codes without basically banning general aviation, and only letting the professionals fly. I do not believe that this solution is commensurate with the risk posed by having public transponder codes.

If there is a reasonable way to ensure that 600,000 US (and who knows how many worldwide) GA pilots keep these codes confidential, please let me know. I just don't think something that a million or more people from every country in the world need to know fits the criteria of "confidential information." Lacking an implementable method of securing that information, we need to assume its knowledge by the bad guys, and formulate policies and procedures appropriately.

We may just have to disagree on that point.


298 posted on 06/03/2005 9:52:39 AM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: kcvl; shellshocked
7500 signal...landing in Canandian airspace...still squaking 7500 hijacking code...

As a former air traffic controller, I know the first thing the controller does, is tell the pilot he is squawking 7500, is this intentional? The possible problem may be, if there is a hijacker in the cockpit, he may know exactly what 7500 means, and may force the pilot to say it is a mistake.

299 posted on 06/03/2005 9:53:26 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: mewzilla
Is there a 7499 or a 7501 that he could've meant to dial instead?

7501 yes, 7499 no. The digits of the transponder only go up to 7. Therefore, 7777 would be the highest number the transponder can go. 7500 is hijack, 7600 is nordo and 7700 is emergency.

300 posted on 06/03/2005 9:56:33 AM PDT by Mark17
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