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To: quidnunc

An excellent analysis. But it omits a couple of crucial factors. First, birth control and abortion. The European crisis is largely a demographic crisis. Muslims are flooding in because Europeans wanted cheap workers to replace the children they didn't have.

Second, it omits the corruption among the ruling classes in France, Belgium and elsewhere. Europe didn't really stay out of Iraq because they had no military. They stayed out of Iraq because they had corrupt deals with Saddam, as represented by Total-Fina-Elf and the UN Oil for Food program.

A key factor was France, which decided to ally itself with the Muslims instead of America. This was not the first time France acted in this way. France stayed home from the battles of Lepanto and Vienna. Louis XIV forged an alliance with the Grand Turk against the rest of Europe. Europe never for a minute wanted to spring to America's aid after 9/11; except for England, it only pretended to sympathize.

So, the essay is good as far as it goes, but it omits key factors.


10 posted on 06/02/2005 7:09:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Cicero wrote: So, the essay is good as far as it goes, but it omits key factors.

Just so.

15 posted on 06/02/2005 7:11:49 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Cicero
Europe didn't really stay out of Iraq because they had no military. They stayed out of Iraq because they had corrupt deals with Saddam, as represented by Total-Fina-Elf and the UN Oil for Food program.

That explains why the leaders took that stance.

But the masses (who didn't personally have a hand in the kitty) felt that a moral superior dance was called for, rather than an honest assessment of their own embarrassing military weaknesses and their unwillingness to stand for the liberty of the brownish citizens of a far off land.

23 posted on 06/02/2005 7:44:57 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Cicero

---An excellent analysis. But it omits a couple of crucial factors. First, birth control and abortion. The European crisis is largely a demographic crisis. Muslims are flooding in because Europeans wanted cheap workers to replace the children they didn't have. ---

Substitute Americans and Mexicans.


28 posted on 06/02/2005 8:00:02 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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>>>>Muslims are flooding in because Europeans wanted cheap workers to replace the children they didn't have.

Like the essay itself, you've made a good point, but omitted key factors. When an employer hires a foreign national, particularly an illegal foreign national, he generally enjoys tremendous cost advantages over a competing employer who hires citizens via the legally mandated, and government regulated hiring practices.

The hourly wage paid upfront may or may not decline, depending on how willing these Muslims are to work for peanuts, but the burden paid on this labor rate will decline substantially.

The G&A of paying national pension taxes and proving citizenship is deducted. The cost of health care, assuming the Euros are stupid enough to give illegals free emergency room care, goes away also. Imagine how much cheaper your payroll can become, if that inconvenient burden of patriotism just goes away.

A lot of employers in the US already have. This is how we have approx. 20mil undocumented illegal workers in the US right now. I'm sure a lot of businessmen and organized criminals in Europe have done likewise.
48 posted on 06/03/2005 7:59:27 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it.-PJ O')
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To: Cicero

"Europe never for a minute wanted to spring to America's aid after 9/11; except for England, it only pretended to sympathize."

Oh really ? then we should tell our thousands of European (British, French, German, Italian, Polishn, etc...) troops in Afghanistan and Iraq to pull-out, since you have so little use for them.

"So, the essay is good as far as it goes, but it omits key factors."

Same goes with your posts, Cicero. Go see on the US CENTCOM sites a few thousands of key points you chose to omit.


59 posted on 07/26/2005 8:13:07 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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