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On Ethnicity and intelligence- The case of Ashkenazi Jews
The Economist ^
| 02 june 2005
| The Economist
Posted on 06/02/2005 4:00:59 PM PDT by voletti
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To: SJackson
If the Average Ashkenazi is 15 points (1 standard deviation) above the average, then should I judge myself against the national average or my "peers"?
Are there any studies in Israel or the US that look at scores of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Eastern, and Ethiopian Jews?
Assuming that Ashkenazi Jews dominate, is this cultural or genetic?
Ron
PS. IQ isn't everything. I'd trade 4 IQ points for 4 inches of height.
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posted on
06/02/2005 6:25:48 PM PDT
by
rmlew
(Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
To: SJackson
Sephardic--not sefardic--and I'm Galitiziana
To: Leo Carpathian
So I am trying to figer why 85% of them vote for RATs Again, it's the culture... and the fact that in the past the forces of conservatism and reaction have been aligned with antisemitism.
63
posted on
06/02/2005 6:28:00 PM PDT
by
JAWs
To: ScreamingFist
When certain races consider themselves superior to others, bad things happen. I made that clear also..... I'm not Jewish. In fact, I'm sure many here think me antisemitic (because I oppose our mid-east policy). But I have a real problem denying my own life experience.
I have the background (some will say ill, I say (in hindsight) good)) of attending a "multicultural" high school.
It was in an older part of town and its makeup was approximately 25% Black, 25% Jew, and 50% mutts like me.
The school was "tracked" (typical in the 50's, I don't know about currently).
I had lots of Jews in my classes and I could always count the Blacks on one hand (actually, often with no fingers). OTOH, I played sports the year round. I had lots of Black teammates and few Jews.
What conclusion would you have drawn?
I can't wait.
64
posted on
06/02/2005 6:28:34 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: voletti
So, to what should we ascribe the outstanding record of the Sephardim in their realm, and the Mizrahim? My wife is Mizrachi (middle eastern Jewish). Most of her relatives are doctors or in other high-performing fields. They don't get Tay-Sachs at all.
65
posted on
06/02/2005 6:30:19 PM PDT
by
cookcounty
("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
To: SJackson
No Sefardic Jews, Columbus would have been lucky to discover Africa.Yea, all the OTHERS before columbus are laughing hard and wondering.
66
posted on
06/02/2005 6:31:09 PM PDT
by
ScreamingFist
(Peace through Ignorance)
To: Polybius
In 1990, the intermarriage rate was 52%. That would have been closer to my sense of reality.
67
posted on
06/02/2005 6:31:46 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: JAWs
Well, that'll go right over his head.
68
posted on
06/02/2005 6:37:39 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Betteboop
Galitzianers are Ashkenazi, just as Yeckes, Litvaks, and even Ostenyidden (Russian Jews).
The fact that Galitziene is one of the 3 recognized forms of Yiddeish should be a give away.
69
posted on
06/02/2005 6:38:08 PM PDT
by
rmlew
(Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
To: rmlew
Are there any studies in Israel or the US that look at scores of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Eastern, and Ethiopian Jews? I'd love to know how the Economist, of all people, sorted them out.
70
posted on
06/02/2005 6:38:18 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
To: voletti
It's bizarre to see so many people arguing with each other about Jews and Judaism, with an underlying current that some of the discussions are racist toward Jews. This is one of the most semito-philic sites on the internet. Despite what DU undoubtedly would say about us.
To: iconoclast
What conclusion would you have drawn? Ug. That the whites can't jump, the blacks dominate sports, the jews are intellectual giants, the asians study kungfu, democrats are liberal and republicans are gun nuts. Your posts are asinine to the extreme, you are an ignorant bigot and and a fool. Sorry, I just assume that from your profile......like you assume all else. How does that feel? Nimrod.
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posted on
06/02/2005 6:39:51 PM PDT
by
ScreamingFist
(Peace through Ignorance)
To: fortunecookie
Or at least, the bar is set higher. And that's unrelated to native intelligence?
73
posted on
06/02/2005 6:40:42 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Albion Wilde
It's because........they are the Chosen People. The Scriptures say that through them, all the families of the earth will be blessed. Any casual (or causal, if you wish) analysis shows this to be the case. From the Jews:
We have the Scriptures.
Our moral code.
Our understanding of Who God is.
Our understanding that man is a moral being with God-like creativity (Imageo Dei)
The New Testament.
Jesus Christ (Salvation for the world).
The Apostles.
The Christian Church
Add to all this the writers, scientists, doctors, scholars etc. through the ages.
They are chosen for a purpose......to bless the world and bring glory to God. The Jews don't necessarily plan it that way, but God does, and so it happens.
74
posted on
06/02/2005 6:44:47 PM PDT
by
cookcounty
("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
To: Alas Babylon!; rmlew; Yehuda; Clemenza
You are strictly speaking of non religious Jews. Among the Orthodox or religious Jews the fertility rate is very high above 6+ children per couple and they mostly marry among themselves. In fifty years they will be the most common face of Jews in America.
75
posted on
06/02/2005 6:46:00 PM PDT
by
Cacique
(quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
To: Reactionary
There are standardized tests involved that were created to measure general intelligence or "g." It is not merely a matter of opinion. The Germans are/have been right in their with the Jews and Asians.
As previously stated, I am none of the above but have no trepidation at competing with any of them.
I grew up in and live in the "great melting pot".
Is something wrong with me, or with the timid deniers?
76
posted on
06/02/2005 6:47:51 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: lemura
Any group that is systematically denied the right to own property would necessarily have to move into more transportable services, such as entertainment, commerce, finance, medicine, etc. just to survive. Pallid excuse.
Jews were awesome before the diaspora.
77
posted on
06/02/2005 6:51:11 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: Maceman
Well, we Ashkenzi Jews tend to stick together. As well you should! ;o)
78
posted on
06/02/2005 6:54:12 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: ScreamingFist
Leave the Hmong in Laos, uneducated. Are they superior? Potentially? Unquestionably.
79
posted on
06/02/2005 6:57:05 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: rmlew
I'd trade 4 IQ points for 4 inches of height. Geez, who wouldn't? ;o)
80
posted on
06/02/2005 6:59:25 PM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
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