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To: VadeRetro
I love it when you scientists turn into 2 year olds talking street jive when you don't have a cogent response. nanny nanny boo boo, you're a doo doo head. I'll tell you the way I told my 2 year olds. Saying it louder don't make it right.

quack quack.

I was enjoying the conversation until you de-evolved to your infantile ancestry. Or maybe the devil made you do it. More likely it was way past your bed time.
250 posted on 05/31/2005 9:16:42 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill
I love it when you scientists turn into 2 year olds talking street jive when you don't have a cogent response. nanny nanny boo boo, you're a doo doo head. I'll tell you the way I told my 2 year olds. Saying it louder don't make it right.

Seriously, I've often tried to think what a secular skeptic of evolution would sound like if I ever encountered one. The best approximation is a guy who used to post on these threads a lot for a few years ending maybe 2 years ago. He posted lots and lots of ID links, mostly from www.ARN.org, and could more or less talk molecular biology issues until he got in with the real MB types. He was semi-literate in science overall. It was all about irreducible complexity and information theory: Behe this and Dembski that. Over time, through, the charade wore thin and some of the Gish-isms started to show through. He was bogus, too, but he had me going for six months or so because he took the time to fake it well. Eventually he announced he was "starting to discover" religious feelings because 1) ID is so convincing and 2) mean old Darwinists are so dogmatic.

I'm now a "secular skeptics of evolution" skeptic. I don't think there is one. You have to ask yourself why a supposed secular skeptic is doing stupendous feats of denial if not from religious horror. It can't be from a complete ignorance of science such as manifested by the typical Young Earth Creationist. He supposedly isn't one of those and doesn't read ICR or AnswersInGenesis to get the only version of science he knows. If he doesn't know any science, he probably realizes it and assumes scientists are doing it at least halfway right--better at any rate then he can do without any preparation.

You basically need some kind of religious horror or other cult attachment. The Raelians would be secular skeptics if they weren't a cult with aliens as God. They reject evolution because the alien civilization that fills the God role in their cult can't do its job if evolution is doing it, same objection as Bible Belt creationism.

Anyway, in your shoes, I'd learn to spell ID. But if you go that way, you'll have to go from total ignorance of everything but everything in science to fascination with biological nanomachines, genetics, biochemistry, and molecular biology in a super hurry. Shall I prepare to be amazed at the transformation?

278 posted on 06/01/2005 8:04:22 AM PDT by VadeRetro ( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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