Researchers Trace Evolution to Relatively Simple Genetic Changes

Howard Hughes Medical Institute ^ | 25 Narcg 2005 | Staff

[VadeRetro]

The day the creationists ever discover anything that contradicts evolution -- or ever discover anything at all for that matter, so far their record is a flat zero -- will be most interesting. I'm waiting ...

Wouldn't that entail some actual research besides quote-mining?

[VadeRetro]

One of the characteristics of such dogs is usually the great mutational load that they carry. This is indicative of the creationist model, where mutations that are carried within the population are normally bad.

There is a creationist model and not just a grab-bag of talking points!!?? Er, no. You mean, "One of the talkiing points is 'All mutations are bad, bad, bad!'"

Have you read the lead article of this thread? Your talking point is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[fish hawk]

That would be Micro-evolution as Macro-evolution does not exist as far as anyone knows.

[EternalVigilance]

The Gods of Washington and Lincoln were quite unlike those of Paul, given that Washington was at best ambivalent (he went to church and mouthed some platitudes, but was noted for expressing privately virtually no interest) and Lincoln likely atheist.

Ha ha ha...there's that silliness I was referring to awhile ago.

Again, why should we take the word about what may or may not have occurred thousands of years ago from those who don't even understand the plain history of these United States over four centuries?

[johnnyb_61820]

"Which one? Brhaman? Zeus? Odin?"

One of the interesting things about your post is that it brings up one of my favorite subjects -- that God has been involved with all of the peoples of the world. In fact, even behind many of the animist religions there exists belief in a one, true sovereign God, it's just usually that they have been distanced from that God and do not think that He cares for them. Often times when missionaries contact these people, they say, essentially, "is it true that (insert their name for God here) still cares for us?"

Here's a great book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?path=ASIN/0830709258&link_code=as2&camp=1789&tag=freeeducation-20&creative=9325

[johnnyb_61820]

From http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/2094.htm

"[If a scholar] tells me that something in a Gospel is legend or romance, I want to know how many legends and romances he has read, how well his palate is trained in detecting them by the flavour..."

[EternalVigilance]

There were between 2-5,000,000 American Indians here when the white man arrived. Not one of them was a christian.

Why do you insist on throwing dust into the air? When I say American, you know what I mean.

In fact, to make my point clear to those who so obviously want to obfuscate, I have repeatedly referenced 'the last four hundred years'. You did observe that, did you not?

[VadeRetro]

10. Craterists can produce micro-craters, but have no evidence of macro-cratering.

You know, you're right. Macro-cratering would need a different mechanism, since we don't see it happening every day.

[furball4paws]

The fact in post 136 still stands. And has been posted to you there are many types of Americans, not just American Indians. Islam is well entrenched here as are hindus and buddhists and assorted other Asian religions. And if you live in California, well then........

These are all American, just as you. You insult them by implying their religious beliefs are worthless. Because you are christian does that make you superior to them?

[darbymcgill]

"Crocks and alligators are pretty much unchanged for 200 million years. Evolution doesn't say things automatically change. It says that variations differ in the number of offspring they produce. Sometimes the originals are good enough."


that "theory" sounds a bit familiar...

"and the goo said, 'let there be alligators' and alligators were puked out of the goo, and the goo said, 'good, now on to the not-so-good originals that evolve over billions of years into humans' and the goo puked out a self-replicating amoeba sans flagella...."

[VadeRetro]

Two points:

1) Argument from personal incredulity.

2) Your argument is creationism with a god named "Goo." You obviously only know one story. Creationist models ARE rather silly, aren't they?

[Dimensio]

If evolution were correct and the 200 million years did occur, I find it hard to believe that the same form that was beneficial in that ecosystem remained beneficial for every ecosystem for the last 200 million years, with the dramatic changes that would have occurred in the populations of other animals.

What in the ecosystems of crocidiles and alligators has changed in the last 200 million years?

[furball4paws]

If you want to talk about amoebas with or without flagella, I'm ready.

[Dimensio]

I guess your attempt at distraction is your poor way of admitting that you made claims that you can't support. Specifically, you cannot demonstrate that any one God -- much less the specific one that you worship -- actually exists to the exclusion of all others, nor can you demonstrate that the theory of evolution is a direct attack on this particular God.

[furball4paws]

He's just making a Lamarckian reference.

[EternalVigilance]

These are all American, just as you. You insult them by implying their religious beliefs are worthless. Because you are christian does that make you superior to them?

The dust you've thrown into the air doesn't obscure the fact in the least that the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is and always has been the God of most Americans.

[EternalVigilance]

I guess your attempt at distraction is your poor way of admitting that you made claims that you can't support. Specifically, you cannot demonstrate that any one God -- much less the specific one that you worship -- actually exists to the exclusion of all others, nor can you demonstrate that the theory of evolution is a direct attack on this particular God.

You can pretend that the purveyors of evolution haven't had an anti-Christian bias and agenda all you want, but that doesn't change the facts in the least. This theory of yours has been atheisms primary vehicle for over a century. And like all man-centered 'isms', it is destructive in more ways than you are ready to face.

[darbymcgill]

"What in the ecosystems of crocidiles and alligators has changed in the last 200 million years?"

Some really smart "scientists" tell us it's a "fact not a theory" that global warming and the shrinking ozone layer are about to evolve us all into crispy critters. Wouldn't the "perfect" alligators have for-seen these changes and begun evolving some level 50 sun block spewing appendages by now?

[EternalVigilance]

Specifically, you cannot demonstrate that any one God -- much less the specific one that you worship -- actually exists to the exclusion of all others...

I am not trying to 'prove' anything to you at all. That would be comparable to trying to convince Bil Clinton that interns are for doing office work.

[furball4paws]

And so you would jam your religion down their throats, because you are the majority?

Next time the Taliban come recruiting, I'll send them your way.