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Photonics May Soon Replace Electronics (for the tech-hearted)
Space Daily ^ | May 20, 2005 | Bill Steele

Posted on 05/30/2005 7:08:57 PM PDT by eagle11

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1 posted on 05/30/2005 7:08:57 PM PDT by eagle11
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To: eagle11

Why cling to any electronics? Why not build photonic systems from scratch, with little or no electronic support?


2 posted on 05/30/2005 7:13:54 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

exactly


3 posted on 05/30/2005 7:22:04 PM PDT by Critical Bill
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To: SteveMcKing

They have been working on a photonic computer for at least 20 years. It looks like they are making progress but still a ways away.


4 posted on 05/30/2005 7:22:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Sigh...I guess this means tube type radios really are obsolete.


5 posted on 05/30/2005 7:33:32 PM PDT by labette (to hit the ball and touch em all, a moment in the sun.)
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To: eagle11
Linky to lead researcher

Link to research summary

6 posted on 05/30/2005 7:35:53 PM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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To: eagle11

How large is a photon compared to an electron? How small can the channels practically get?


7 posted on 05/30/2005 7:38:56 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean's Democratic Party: Traitors, Haters, and Vacillators)
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To: SteveMcKing

It's an intermediate step that would allow the new photonic stuff to quickly interface with current (no pun) electronics rather than scrapping everything.

Also, most of the things you want to eventually run are electrical, such as motors, lights, speakers, etc. and they can't (today) be run by the low intensity light that is in the photonic devices.

Large motors and speakers powered by light are quite a stretch for today's technology.


8 posted on 05/30/2005 7:52:22 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: eagle11

I'd like to place an order for photon torpedos with nanite guidance, please.


9 posted on 05/30/2005 7:52:24 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Socialism is not an ideology, it is a disease. Eliminate the vectors.)
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Get in line. I've got 25,000 terrorists who want a dozen each.


10 posted on 05/30/2005 7:54:48 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: eagle11
Two comments:

One, it's a pretty neat idea.

Two, they have been claiming photonics is going to take over from electronics for decades, now. Your PC CPU is going to be electronics for many more decades.

11 posted on 05/30/2005 7:55:14 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: eagle11
Two comments:

One, it's a pretty neat idea.

Two, they have been claiming photonics is going to take over from electronics for decades, now. Your PC CPU is going to be electronics for many more decades.

12 posted on 05/30/2005 7:55:56 PM PDT by expatpat
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How large is a photon compared to an electron?

Neither one occupies any space. They are "infinitely small" unless space itself is quantized. They are "particles" in the sense that they both have a mathematical definition.

13 posted on 05/30/2005 7:56:28 PM PDT by staytrue
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I see. Electrics provide power, photonics produce logic. Got it.

OR:

"Electrons for work, photons for play." -copyright, me


14 posted on 05/30/2005 8:15:25 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: keithtoo
How large is a photon compared to an electron? How small can the channels practically get?

Integrated electronic circuit elements are already significantly smaller than the wavelength of visible light.

The wavelength of an electron depends on its energy, but for energies of the order of atomic binding, 1-10 electron volts, the wavelength is on the order of an atomic size, less than a nanometer, compared to 500 nanometers for visible light.

I'm not sure if this is air-tight reasoning, but to me it implies a big advantage for electronics over photonics.

15 posted on 05/30/2005 8:19:14 PM PDT by dr_lew
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That's kinda what I was thinking. What is to be gained, except less heat buildup? How fast do electrons travel in Silicon currently?


16 posted on 05/30/2005 8:36:17 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean's Democratic Party: Traitors, Haters, and Vacillators)
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To: SteveMcKing

Storage.
Nobody knows how to store photons.


17 posted on 05/30/2005 9:17:43 PM PDT by Erasmus ("The best-laid men gang oft a-gley." --Robt. Burns)
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To: keithtoo
How fast do electrons travel in Silicon currently?

IIRC, electrons physically travel in semiconductors on the order of a kilometer per second, in electric fields created by typical working voltages. Holes, which are the positively charged quantum counterparts to electrons, propagate somewhat slower.

However, electrons and holes need only travel a few nanometers--partway across a junction or channel--to do their job. The associated electric fields and currents, somewhat paradoxically, travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. The exact fraction depends on the resisitivity and dimensions of the conductor, and the characteristics of the dielectric (insulating) substrate.

(A few years ago, IC makers made the metallurgically difficult transition from aluminum to copper for the interconnect layers, because copper, having higher conductivity, results in faster signal propagation, all other things being equal.)

18 posted on 05/30/2005 9:32:24 PM PDT by Erasmus ("The best-laid men gang oft a-gley." --Robt. Burns)
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To: Erasmus

Interesting. Though I'm confused what you mean by the terms "the" and "voltages".


19 posted on 05/30/2005 10:00:10 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: labette

Well, the vacuum tube is immune to the effects of EMP but transistors and integrated circuits are not. If they get the photonic computer working, then the tube WILL be obsolete.


20 posted on 05/31/2005 5:54:10 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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